American Flag with Obama Image

[pbwalker]

I'd be honored to have GWB sign my flag.
But not if he had his picture printed on it first.

I agree, but I'm just trying to show that it is still defacement of the US flag.

[MeMelYup]

I think there are exceptions with conditions. President signing a flag. It becomes more of a trophy than something that is going to be flown everyday. Such as an American flag flown in Iraq on an American vehicle during a firefight. The flag was signed by everyone there and now hangs on a wall in a revered place.

[pbwalker]

I think there are exceptions with conditions. President signing a flag. It becomes more of a trophy than something that is going to be flown everyday. Such as an American flag flown in Iraq on an American vehicle during a firefight. The flag was signed by everyone there and now hangs on a wall in a revered place.

Exactly...just as this flag is a "trophy" for all the Libs and other MaObama lovers.

I guess I just don't understand the fuss. It's not an American Flag. It's as much an American Flag as the Malaysian Flag.

[sookandy]

It does go with his politics. Get rid of all the States (stars) and him the Czar over the land. Makes. Me wanna puke. Commander in Chief? What a joke.

[sjfcontrol]

I think there are exceptions with conditions. President signing a flag. It becomes more of a trophy than something that is going to be flown everyday. Such as an American flag flown in Iraq on an American vehicle during a firefight. The flag was signed by everyone there and now hangs on a wall in a revered place.

Exactly...just as this flag is a "trophy" for all the Libs and other MaObama lovers.

I guess I just don't understand the fuss. It's not an American Flag. It's as much an American Flag as the Malaysian Flag.

There is a definite difference between some other countries' flag that may have similar elements to ours, and modifying OUR flag to replace one of it's elements with a picture of the president. ANY president.
(I note that the Malaysian flag has one extra white stripe, in addition to the modified star field. Also, if the aspect ratio looks odd.)

[pbwalker]

There is a definite difference between some other countries' flag that may have similar elements to ours, and modifying OUR flag to replace one of it's elements with a picture of the president. ANY president.
(I note that the Malaysian flag has one extra white stripe, in addition to the modified star field. Also, if the aspect ratio looks odd.)

I guess I am doing a poor job in making my point. All I am basically saying is that the Obama flag is as much an American flag as the Malaysian flag. Meaning, neither are American flags. Just like the LGBT rainbow flag with the stars is not the American flag.

[sjfcontrol]

There is a definite difference between some other countries' flag that may have similar elements to ours, and modifying OUR flag to replace one of it's elements with a picture of the president. ANY president.
(I note that the Malaysian flag has one extra white stripe, in addition to the modified star field. Also, if the aspect ratio looks odd.)

I guess I am doing a poor job in making my point. All I am basically saying is that the Obama flag is as much an American flag as the Malaysian flag. Meaning, neither are American flags. Just like the LGBT rainbow flag with the stars is not the American flag.

No, I got your point. By that logic, anything you can possibly do to a flag is perfectly OK, since once you desecrate it, it's no longer an American Flag.
Might as well argue that its just a piece of cloth, not worthy of the fuss.
I do not agree.

[pbwalker]

There is a definite difference between some other countries' flag that may have similar elements to ours, and modifying OUR flag to replace one of it's elements with a picture of the president. ANY president.
(I note that the Malaysian flag has one extra white stripe, in addition to the modified star field. Also, if the aspect ratio looks odd.)

I guess I am doing a poor job in making my point. All I am basically saying is that the Obama flag is as much an American flag as the Malaysian flag. Meaning, neither are American flags. Just like the LGBT rainbow flag with the stars is not the American flag.

No, I got your point. By that logic, anything you can possibly do to a flag is perfectly OK, since once you desecrate it, it's no longer an American Flag.
Might as well argue that its just a piece of cloth, not worthy of the fuss.
I do not agree.

Are we sure that it was ever a flag to begin with? Do we know if it ever had stars on it, or was a complete American flag? Could someone have made it as it is shown? Are we 100% sure that someone defaced the American flag to make it as it is?

[i8godzilla]

Not a flag I would own or fly. Personally, I think less of someone that would--what I call--desecrate an American flag. However, I once swore an oath--as did my Grandfather, Father, Wife and Son--to protect the Constitution of this great nation. This same Constitution acknowledges our RIGHT to put any image on something that resembles an American flag without government recourse. This same Constitution also acknowledges our right to keep and bare arms, remain silent, and keep the government out of our homes among other rights that are granted by our Creator.

I am in no way an Oblamer supporter nor do I believe that he sought to have his image put on this flag. However, desecrating the flag, to me, says a lot about those that would do such a thing. Not speaking out and asking this not to be done says even more to me about the person who's likeness is depicted on this flag. While I have acknowledged that fact that someone has the right to do it, that does not really make it right. Do me it is really no different than urinating on a Veteran's grave-site. I guess OUR flag means more to some than others.

What about these:














My point? Is it the fact that someone put Oblamer's picture on it or do you believe that no representation of the American flag should used?

[AEA]

Good point!
My personal feeling is that I see enough images of the "Fool in Chief" on a daily basis that I don't need or want to see an image of him on a US Flag facsimile.

[sjfcontrol]

This was a flag. It was flying underneath an unmodified US flag, on a pole outside a home. It was not an image of a flag. And it doesn't matter if it was ever a complete flag that had been modified, or was made as shown.

[hi-power]

For the people who "pretend" to post the rules for the flag, namely "Troglodyte, who posted only part of the Code,
The correct code reads like this:

UNITED STATES CODE
U.S. Flag Code
UNITED STATES CODE TITLE 36 CHAPTER 10

Item (g) The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark,
insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature.

It kinda changes the meaning when you leave out the key element "picture", doens't it?

Not that Trog needs my help, I don't believe he intentionally left the word "picture" out. This link came up as #1 for me in a google search: http://www.usflag.org/flagetiquette.html
Welcome to the forum Ken.

[pbwalker]

This was a flag. It was flying underneath an unmodified US flag, on a pole outside a home. It was not an image of a flag. And it doesn't matter if it was ever a complete flag that had been modified, or was made as shown.

Do you have proof that this was ever an American flag?

Also, you say that "it doesn't matter if it was ever a complete flag that had been modified, or was made as shown."

Actually it does.

[sjfcontrol]

This was a flag. It was flying underneath an unmodified US flag, on a pole outside a home. It was not an image of a flag. And it doesn't matter if it was ever a complete flag that had been modified, or was made as shown.

Do you have proof that this was ever an American flag?

Also, you say that "it doesn't matter if it was ever a complete flag that had been modified, or was made as shown."

Actually it does.

Reference?

[pbwalker]

This was a flag. It was flying underneath an unmodified US flag, on a pole outside a home. It was not an image of a flag. And it doesn't matter if it was ever a complete flag that had been modified, or was made as shown.

Do you have proof that this was ever an American flag?

Also, you say that "it doesn't matter if it was ever a complete flag that had been modified, or was made as shown."

Actually it does.

Reference?

Before I answer, just so I understand your post, please expound upon the statement that ""it doesn't matter if it was ever a complete flag that had been modified, or was made as shown." Maybe I misunderstood.

You disagreed with me saying that the Obama flag was not an American flag, saying "By that logic, anything you can possibly do to a flag is perfectly OK, since once you desecrate it, it's no longer an American Flag."

I am saying that if it was never an American flag (which you contend, at one point, it was...reference for that?) then how am I desecrating the American flag. It does matter if it was an American flag at one point, but if it was not, then it's moot. That's why I said it does matter.

Or are you saying that any flag with red and white stripes, and a blue upper left corner is an American flag by default, and it subject to our flag code?