An Idea for a Kalashnikov Pistol

[bulletslap]

First off let me introduce myself by saying that I am a friend of AndyC, but please don't hold that against him

The problem:

1) In these uncertain times it seems to me that having at had a short compact high capcity weapon firing a round effective to a 100 yards or so would be very usefull. Sort of an SBR without the Paper Chase and expense.

2) One downside to such a blaster, is well the muzzle blast, and my ears are damaged enough as it is, and even with hearing protection a short barrled gun in an effective caliber hurts !

3) The blaster in Question should be relative concealable, under a jacket, or nondescript case or bag.

The Solution:

1) I have a AK receiver shell never assembled and recorded on the 4473 as a Pistol.

2) I have a Hungarian AK Parts Kit, that without the Muzzle Brake has an 11 inch barrel - I could shorten this a couple of three inches without much trouble.

3) Use Sub-Sonic 7.62x39 ammo - I have the dies and a few ammo cases full of Winchester 7.62x39 Brass.

4) Use a Rail type upper hanguard and red dot sight.

Challenges:

1) There will be a right smart amount of recoil and muzzle Jump.

A picture of the Concept stolen from a Gentleman at the AK-Files




Well what do y'all think ???? Will it be woth the trouble ???

[Carry-a-Kimber]

Don't know about gettig any kind of real accuracy out to 100 yards without a stock. I have used the Israeli sling method and an hit man sized target but can't get COM shots every time. Still I like my AK pistol and with a good flash suppressor, the muzzle becomes less of a flame thrower. Here's mine, Draco pistol with Midwest Idustries extended rail system, Bushnell TRS-25, US Palm grip, and YHM 7.62QD muzzle device.

[The Annoyed Man]

Will it be woth the trouble ???

No.

Let's put it this way......that would be a LOT of pistol to lug around all day. You know how they say "a pistol is for fighting your way back to the long gun you should have never set down?" I think you would be better off to:

1. EDC a pistol
2. keep an AR or AK carbine in a standard carbine barrel length in the car
3. be home in bed, sober, by 10:00 p.m. so you don't have to use either of them.

[74novaman]

First off let me introduce myself by saying that I am a friend of AndyC, but please don't hold that against him
I don't know, I might hold it against you
The problem:

1) In these uncertain times it seems to me that having at had a short compact high capcity weapon firing a round effective to a 100 yards or so would be very usefull. Sort of an SBR without the Paper Chase and expense.

That would be nice.

2) One downside to such a blaster, is well the muzzle blast, and my ears are damaged enough as it is, and even with hearing protection a short barrled gun in an effective caliber hurts !

Yes. My AMD (12" barrel pinned to 16 with a brake) is the loudest AK I have by far.
3) The blaster in Question should be relative concealable, under a jacket, or nondescript case or bag.

The Solution:

1) I have a AK receiver shell never assembled and recorded on the 4473 as a Pistol.

2) I have a Hungarian AK Parts Kit, that without the Muzzle Brake has an 11 inch barrel - I could shorten this a couple of three inches without much trouble.

3) Use Sub-Sonic 7.62x39 ammo - I have the dies and a few ammo cases full of Winchester 7.62x39 Brass.

4) Use a Rail type upper hanguard and red dot sight.


Well what do y'all think ???? Will it be woth the trouble ???

A few things. One, before undertaking this project I suggest you cut out a plywood cut out of the approximate size and try to hide it under a jacket, etc just to get a feel for where/how this thing could be carried.

I just measured one of mine and with an 8 inch barrel, the overall length should come to about 18" long. With a 20 round magazine, you'd be about 8" tall. so a rough cutout 18"x8" at the longest parts should give you a decent idea of the feasibility of carrying it.

There's also 2 ways to look at this thing. Its both a really cool, short long gun that's high capacity....and its a really heavy, cumbersome pistol that gets you another 5 rounds more (in a better caliber and assuming 20 round mag for ease of carry) than a glock/m&p/xd would.

If you can't figure out a good way to carry it on your person, I'd be tempted to just go ahead and SBR it so its usable as a rifle. Heck, a Draco with the underfolder trunnion could be a compact little SBR (and will probably be the one I eventually build, a Zastava M92 clone).

Because if you can't carry it on your person, I'd want to carry a pistol on me...so a backup rifle makes more sense to me than another back up pistol does. (not a huge fan of off body carry for a primary.)

Its an interesting idea, but you may wind up deciding its too heavy/cumbersome for on body carry. And if so, you might as well make a rifle out of it for briefcase/backpack carry. The 200+paperwork isn't really that big of a deal, and if you're worried about being on a "list", you shouldn't be on this forum, have ever taken a picture of a gun and put it online, or filled out a 4473.

My .02 on it.

[ELB]

As noted earlier, without a stock it seems dubious that an AK pistol would be all that useful beyond a few yards.

While the "paper chase" is annoying, it doesn't seem to be all that difficult, just expensive, since there are dollars for the lawyer (because I would definitely go the trust route) and the tax stamp.

The only other option depends on how "uncertain" you think the times are going to be. If this is to be something you carry in the car all the time just in case a Katrina-sized disaster overtakes your area, then you have legalities to worry about. If you envision complete breakdown across the continent with loss of direction and control by the Feds, then if you haul the AK pistol out of the closet and slapped a stock on it, who is to care at that point? The trick of course is between then and now to avoid the legal issues of "constructive possession" and the like.

I really like the idea of a SBR AK, but I am going to wait until I can budget for the NFA trust and tax stamp, then maybe put a stock on a Draco...unless you decide to abandon your idea and hand off your stuff to me....

[AEA]

WOW!

With a recommendation like that, I like him!

Unfortunately, I do not like heavy AK's (even pistol versions).

[bulletslap]

Andy you are too kind...I am embarrassed

I left out the most important point - this would be an addition to a conventional conceled Gat, to be kept in a vehicle, handier and easier to use than a longgun. If it was carried, it would probably be carried in a non-descript bag, but could be hidden under a coat to meet the letter of the law.

I have a "Krink" a Bulgarian AK-74SU, that I may SBR some day, but I wouldn't want to leave it in my vehicle, beside it is too damn loud !

I have a grand total of 175 bucks in the AMD-65 Kit and the rest of the makings.

carry-a-kimber - I see you were thinking along the same lines - have you tried sub-sonic ammo ?

Regards all !

[pbwalker]

I left out the most important point - this would be an addition to a conventional conceled Gat,

How do you conceal a Gattling gun?

[The Annoyed Man]

First off let me introduce myself by saying that I am a friend of AndyC, but please don't hold that against him

And bulletslap is my wayward gentleman-and-scholar mate from down near Alpine range way.

You want to build an AK or talk about the intricacies of fine double shotguns or rifles or the merits of the 16-gauge over the 12 or 20, he's your guy. He also has the scary habit of hitting clay-pigeons at about 70 yards just when everyone else thinks it's lost (and giving us heart-attacks while doing so). Generous to a fault, he's a wonderful addition to any party, comes somewhat house-trained and is a fine example of a Texan

.....and he does it with 100 year old side-by-side scatter guns.

[MadMonkey]

I'm putting together an AR pistol for this purpose and plan to get a mini Draco as well. Mainly for the fun of it though... they aren't going to be practical for regular carry except MAYBE in the winter. Will fit nicely in a messenger bag though.

[maverick2076]

Just saying...

A Kel-tec Sub 2000 will satisfy all your requirments for about $350. It will also have a shoulder stock and, if you carry a Glock, Beretta or the right S&W, share mags with your EDC.

[Carry-a-Kimber]

Just saying...

A Kel-tec Sub 2000 will satisfy all your requirments for about $350.

Except for the "round effective out to 100 yards part".

[pbwalker]

Just saying...

A Kel-tec Sub 2000 will satisfy all your requirments for about $350.

Except for the "round effective out to 100 yards part".

How so?

[RECIT]

Just saying...

A Kel-tec Sub 2000 will satisfy all your requirments for about $350.

Except for the "round effective out to 100 yards part".

How so?

It is a pistol round...is it lethal at 100yds? Yes. Does it have the same lethality that a rifle round has at 100yds? NO. A .22lr is lethal at 100yds if placed right, doesn't mean I want to defend a war zone of zombies with it