CHL-16 clarification for 30.06 sign

[Nano]

I would like for someone to explain to me what (e) in red below means. It is a bit confusing to me. Thanks

(A) a card or other document on which is written language identical to the following: “Pursuant to Section 30.06, Penal Code (trespass by holder of license to carry a concealed handgun), a person licensed under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code (concealed handgun law), may not enter this property with a concealed handgun”; or
(B) a sign posted on the property that:
(i) includes the language described by Paragraph (A) in both English and Spanish;
(ii) appears in contrasting colors with block letters at least one inch in height; and
(iii) is displayed in a conspicuous manner clearly visible to the public.
(d) An offense under this section is a Class A misdemeanor.
(e) It is an exception to the application of this section that the property on which the license holder carries a handgun is owned or leased by a governmental entity and is not a premises or other place on which the license holder is prohibited from carrying the handgun under Section 46.03 or 46.035.

[74novaman]

I would like for someone to explain to me what (e) in red below means. It is a bit confusing to me. Thanks

(A) a card or other document on which is written language identical to the following: “Pursuant to Section 30.06, Penal Code (trespass by holder of license to carry a concealed handgun), a person licensed under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code (concealed handgun law), may not enter this property with a concealed handgun”; or
(B) a sign posted on the property that:
(i) includes the language described by Paragraph (A) in both English and Spanish;
(ii) appears in contrasting colors with block letters at least one inch in height; and
(iii) is displayed in a conspicuous manner clearly visible to the public.
(d) An offense under this section is a Class A misdemeanor.
(e) It is an exception to the application of this section that the property on which the license holder carries a handgun is owned or leased by a governmental entity and is not a premises or other place on which the license holder is prohibited from carrying the handgun under Section 46.03 or 46.035.

In REALLY rough terms, it prohibits govt entities (be it city, county or state...unfortunately doesn't apply to federal) from posting 30.06 signs, meaning its legal for us to carry on public property. The exceptions it mentions refer to the prohibitions against carrying in courthouses, etc.

Edit: So for example, the city of Dallas couldn't post a 30.06 sign in a library if the library was the only occupier of the building.

[Keith B]

I would like for someone to explain to me what (e) in red below means. It is a bit confusing to me. Thanks

(A) a card or other document on which is written language identical to the following: “Pursuant to Section 30.06, Penal Code (trespass by holder of license to carry a concealed handgun), a person licensed under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code (concealed handgun law), may not enter this property with a concealed handgun”; or
(B) a sign posted on the property that:
(i) includes the language described by Paragraph (A) in both English and Spanish;
(ii) appears in contrasting colors with block letters at least one inch in height; and
(iii) is displayed in a conspicuous manner clearly visible to the public.
(d) An offense under this section is a Class A misdemeanor.
(e) It is an exception to the application of this section that the property on which the license holder carries a handgun is owned or leased by a governmental entity and is not a premises or other place on which the license holder is prohibited from carrying the handgun under Section 46.03 or 46.035.

This should have been explained in detail in your CHL class. But, to recap for you, it is just what it says. If the building (premise) is owned by a governmental entity (state or local, not federal) then they can't restrict carry with a 30.06 sign unless it is a place already off limits as defined in 46.03 or 46.035.

EDIT TO ADD: 74novaman beat me to it.

[Nano]

Very good information. How does this apply to a local city Police Department?

[Keith B]

Very good information. How does this apply to a local city Police Department?

The open public area of a police department is OK to carry as long as there is not a court room in there. The secured area of a police station (meaning an area where there might be a holding cell, etc.) would be off limits per the statutes.

[speedsix]

Very good information. How does this apply to a local city Police Department?

The open public area of a police department is OK to carry as long as there is not a court room in there. The secured area of a police station (meaning an area where there might be a holding cell, etc.) would be off limits per the statutes.

...Tx Gov't Code 411.207 explains our duties and theirs...

[wgoforth]

I would like for someone to explain to me what (e) in red below means. It is a bit confusing to me. Thanks

(A) a card or other document on which is written language identical to the following: “Pursuant to Section 30.06, Penal Code (trespass by holder of license to carry a concealed handgun), a person licensed under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code (concealed handgun law), may not enter this property with a concealed handgun”; or
(B) a sign posted on the property that:
(i) includes the language described by Paragraph (A) in both English and Spanish;
(ii) appears in contrasting colors with block letters at least one inch in height; and
(iii) is displayed in a conspicuous manner clearly visible to the public.
(d) An offense under this section is a Class A misdemeanor.
(e) It is an exception to the application of this section that the property on which the license holder carries a handgun is owned or leased by a governmental entity and is not a premises or other place on which the license holder is prohibited from carrying the handgun under Section 46.03 or 46.035.

This should have been explained in detail in your CHL class. But, to recap for you, it is just what it says. If the building (premise) is owned by a governmental entity (state or local, not federal) then they can't restrict carry with a 30.06 sign unless it is a place already off limits as defined in 46.03 or 46.035.

EDIT TO ADD: 74novaman beat me to it.

Keith..correct is shudda been... however the more I am seeing and hearing the more I am amazed at what isn't! As well as some of the things that is (ie, some instructors still teaching church buildings are auto-no-go).

[Nano]

Actually I was a bit disappointed in the CHL class that I took. As far as the shudda part the 30.06 sign was touched on as well as the 51 sign but not to the extent that I would have liked. I felt that more time could have been devoted to handling CHL related conflict resolution. It was a long class so I guess a lot of filler stuff was necessary. I've learned a lot more on this forum than I did in class although I did make a 98 on the written test.

[PvilleStang]

Also, any government functions are off limits, i.e. City Council, Planning and Zoning, school board meetings, EDB, etc.

[snatchel]

Very good information. How does this apply to a local city Police Department?

The open public area of a police department is OK to carry as long as there is not a court room in there. The secured area of a police station (meaning an area where there might be a holding cell, etc.) would be off limits per the statutes.

Strange... I walked up to my Sheriff office the other day going to drop off some paperwork and saw a 30.06 sign. This was posted on all entrances that I saw... and they were enforceable as far as literature/size/etc.

Edited to add: I checked, and the sheriff's office is used for that reason alone-to house sheriffs and things related to it. The city jail is in another seperate bldg, and the court is also in a different bldg.

[Keith B]

Also, any government functions are off limits, i.e. City Council, Planning and Zoning, school board meetings, EDB, etc.

Only if posted with a 30.06.

[Keith B]

Very good information. How does this apply to a local city Police Department?

The open public area of a police department is OK to carry as long as there is not a court room in there. The secured area of a police station (meaning an area where there might be a holding cell, etc.) would be off limits per the statutes.

Strange... I walked up to my Sheriff office the other day going to drop off some paperwork and saw a 30.06 sign. This was posted on all entrances that I saw... and they were enforceable as far as literature/size/etc.

If they have something in there that is otherwise statutorily off-limits, then the 30.06 would be valid (not needed, but valid). Otherwise, they are posted incorrectly. What county?

[snatchel]

Very good information. How does this apply to a local city Police Department?

The open public area of a police department is OK to carry as long as there is not a court room in there. The secured area of a police station (meaning an area where there might be a holding cell, etc.) would be off limits per the statutes.

Strange... I walked up to my Sheriff office the other day going to drop off some paperwork and saw a 30.06 sign. This was posted on all entrances that I saw... and they were enforceable as far as literature/size/etc.

If they have something in there that is otherwise statutorily off-limits, then the 30.06 would be valid (not needed, but valid). Otherwise, they are posted incorrectly. What county?

This will be Tom Green County, San Angelo, TX.

I edited my previous post, but you beat me to it. There are no other entities or anything else in the building. I will try and make it up there later this afternoon and make sure.

[Keith B]

The building at 222 W. Harris is owned by the county. Not a legal posting, unless as stated, there is a court or other off-limits office in the building. Might be a good one to ask them about.

[snatchel]

The building at 222 W. Harris is owned by the county. Not a legal posting, unless as stated, there is a court or other off-limits office in the building. Might be a good one to ask them about.

Noted. One of the long-time deputies is a fried of mine, and running for elections this year. I let him post a sign in my yard and helped him a little with the campaigning. Looking into this may be a way he could repay me!