Yikes! Thumb safety moved from safe to fire, twice!

[johncanfield]

You might find this solution helpful: http://mp-pistol.com/boards/index.php?/ ... al-safety/

Good link - thanks! I just flipped the M&P safety off and on a few times and it would benefit from a more positive detent.

[gwashorn]

Good thing it's not a 1911!

It has happened on my 3" 1911 a number of times. I don't worry about it. The gun is holstered. The trigger is covered. The grip safety is not depressed. Instead, I've developed the habit, whenever I'm carrying one of my pistols with a framed mounted safety, of occasionally and discreetly feeling with my hand to see if it is still engaged. I only do it when and where I am sure I won't be observed. I am pretty sure that it usually gets switched off as I get in or out of the car. I carry on the left side, so when I pivot to get in or out, the gun comes in "brushing" contact with the side of the seat back. So I think that is what's doing it. Consequently, that is usually when I check it, as I am pivoting out of my seat to exit the car. The movement is so unobtrusive that I'm pretty sure that nobody would ever notice it. But like I said, even so, I don't really worry about it. Even if I were to draw the gun—which is how I first noticed the problem when I was unholstering at home—I don't keep my finger on the trigger.

Same for me here as TAM has noted with my 3" SA Micro compact 1911. Then I realized I also carry an XD which is no different really. I check discretely now and then, just to check, no big motion, just a quick feel of the ambi safety. I am very strict on my finger indexing and watch as well my grip if just putting it up in the safe.

[A-R]

You can fix that by removing the safety.

the safety is "off" on my M&P's 24/7/365 and I carry them all day in tuckable IWB holsters with no problems whatsoever

The only safety you need on a self-defense handgun is your well-trained and well-conditioned brain and booger hook

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[A-R]

If Glocks were shaped for human hands, I would have bought one a long time ago. I have carried my wife's Glock 19, and it is a great pistol.

Are you saying The Annoyed Woman is not human? Sounds like The Annoyed Dog might have some company tonight.

[Salty1]

I find this post very interesting so I tried to disengage the safety on my 2 1911"s while holstered, they are the only guns I own that have safety's on them. I was unable to get either one of them off while holstered without a lot of effort. It makes me wonder about the holster and the actual fit of the gun in it, if the gun can move in the holster then I can see how it could become accidently disengaged.

The holsters I use are TT Gunleather IWB or a Zlogonje OWB, both have a "notch" that has appeared from break-in where the safety sits so it would be almost impossible to bump the safety off. Understanding that holsters are personal preference I have mine made of all leather to custom fit the specific gun, the cost is not that much more than the generic models that fit many different types.

I may have siezures if my nice guns were ever placed in a piece of plastic (kydex).

[johncanfield]

My KingTuk is a very nicely made holster - absolutely no complaints about design and execution of the design. Materials are first-rate. To be determined is if the safety movement is my issue or a design problem. I suspect the former.

[The Annoyed Man]

If Glocks were shaped for human hands, I would have bought one a long time ago. I have carried my wife's Glock 19, and it is a great pistol.

Are you saying The Annoyed Woman is not human? Sounds like The Annoyed Dog might have some company tonight.

I'm saying she's an angel, and don't you forget it!

[The Annoyed Man]

I find this post very interesting so I tried to disengage the safety on my 2 1911"s while holstered, they are the only guns I own that have safety's on them. I was unable to get either one of them off while holstered without a lot of effort. It makes me wonder about the holster and the actual fit of the gun in it, if the gun can move in the holster then I can see how it could become accidently disengaged.

The holsters I use are TT Gunleather IWB or a Zlogonje OWB, both have a "notch" that has appeared from break-in where the safety sits so it would be almost impossible to bump the safety off. Understanding that holsters are personal preference I have mine made of all leather to custom fit the specific gun, the cost is not that much more than the generic models that fit many different types.

I may have siezures if my nice guns were ever placed in a piece of plastic (kydex).

For what it's worth, I am left-handed, and in my case, we're talking about ambidextrous safeties. So the "right handed" safety lever on the left side of the frame is exposed to getting snagged on things and disengaged. I suspect that the exact reverse is true for right handers who carry pistols with framed mounted ambidextrous safeties. However, the "default" configuration for a 1911 is a right handed thumb safety, which when the gun is worn on the right hip, is on the body-side where it is protected from being snagged on things.

[gwashorn]

I find this post very interesting so I tried to disengage the safety on my 2 1911"s while holstered, they are the only guns I own that have safety's on them. I was unable to get either one of them off while holstered without a lot of effort. It makes me wonder about the holster and the actual fit of the gun in it, if the gun can move in the holster then I can see how it could become accidently disengaged.

The holsters I use are TT Gunleather IWB or a Zlogonje OWB, both have a "notch" that has appeared from break-in where the safety sits so it would be almost impossible to bump the safety off. Understanding that holsters are personal preference I have mine made of all leather to custom fit the specific gun, the cost is not that much more than the generic models that fit many different types.

I may have siezures if my nice guns were ever placed in a piece of plastic (kydex).

For what it's worth, I am left-handed, and in my case, we're talking about ambidextrous safeties. So the "right handed" safety lever on the left side of the frame is exposed to getting snagged on things and disengaged. I suspect that the exact reverse is true for right handers who carry pistols with framed mounted ambidextrous safeties. However, the "default" configuration for a 1911 is a right handed thumb safety, which when the gun is worn on the right hip, is on the body-side where it is protected from being snagged on things.

And it is this very reason I am considering removing my ambi safety on my SA Loaded Micro Compact and going to a single to prevent the snagging.

[alexrex20]

ambi safeties serve absolutely no purpose for me, considering i'm right-handed. if my right hand gets injured in a gunfight, and i need to shoot with my left-hand (a common reason for right-handers to use an ambi safety), i'm already toast because my gun should not still be on safety...

[Keith B]

ambi safeties serve absolutely no purpose for me, considering i'm right-handed. if my right hand gets injured in a gunfight, and i need to shoot with my left-hand (a common reason for right-handers to use an ambi safety), i'm already toast because my gun should not still be on safety...

There are lots of situations where your right arm could be incapacitated and you had not already in a gunfight and have not drawn your weapon. A good example is taught in 'crash bang' protective driving school where your vehicle is ambushed and you are pinned in the driver seat with your strong arm broken. Another is you are blindsided and shot in the right arm and must now use your weak arm/hand.

[Kiowa Scout]

ambi safeties serve absolutely no purpose for me, considering i'm right-handed. if my right hand gets injured in a gunfight, and i need to shoot with my left-hand (a common reason for right-handers to use an ambi safety), i'm already toast because my gun should not still be on safety...

There are lots of situations where your right arm could be incapacitated and you had not already in a gunfight and have not drawn your weapon. A good example is taught in 'crash bang' protective driving school where your vehicle is ambushed and you are pinned in the driver seat with your strong arm broken. Another is you are blindsided and shot in the right arm and must now use your weak arm/hand.

Also, as mentioned somewhere else on this forum is a strong had injury that keeps you from being able to carry on the strong hand side.
If we think that it can never happen to us, then we are setting ourselves up for failure. I didn't think that I could ever break my ankle and now I sitting at home 5 weeks off of work because I shattered my ankle and had to have surgery. Prepare for the worst and Pray for the best.