Kimball art museum posted?

[dalglockr]

On the Kimbal's web site it says no weapons inside the museum except for officers. It looks like it is owned by a foundation, but I thought the Ft. Worth cultural district sits on city land.

[JCole]

t wasn't the last time I was there, but it's been about a year. I doubt it's posted now.

[The Annoyed Man]

I don't think it is either.

[Crossfire]

Last time we were there, they had a 51% sign. I know, a little weird, but true.

That has been a year, or so, or maybe a few.

[Keith B]

Last time we were there, they had a 51% sign. I know, a little weird, but true.

That has been a year, or so, or maybe a few.

It is a 51% location. Would guess the company that has the liquor sales makes most of their money from alcohol. Unfortunately, this makes the whole building off limits.

License #: BG440055
Trade Name: MUSEUM HOSPITALITY INC.
Owner: MUSEUM HOSPITALITY INC.
Location Address: 3333 CAMP BOWIE BOULEVARD
FORT WORTH , TX 761072792
Mailing Address: 301 COMMERCE ST STE 2300
FORT WORTH , TX 761024140
County: Tarrant Orig. Issue Date: 10/1/1998
Status: Current Exp. Date: 9/30/2013
Wine Percent: 17
Location Phone No.: 8173366100 Gun Sign: RED
Subordinates:
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[Crossfire]

Apparently, you cannot truly appreciate art without the addition of alcohol. More than 51% of alcohol...

[Keith B]

Apparently, you cannot truly appreciate art without the addition of alcohol. More than 51% of alcohol...

That wold be the ONLY way I could would ever be able to understand Picasso's art.

[i8godzilla]

Apparently, you cannot truly appreciate art without the addition of alcohol. More than 51% of alcohol...

That wold be the ONLY way I could would ever be able to understand Picasso's art.

Picasso also needed a little mind altering to understand his work.

"The smell of opium is the least stupid smell in the world."
--Pablo Picasso

[dalglockr]

I went the other day, it is not posted. No sign of the elderly art patrons slamming shots along with their lunch in the restaurant either, so no 51% either.

[The Annoyed Man]

Maybe the 51% sign was temporary, for an event they were having or something; because I don't remember ever seeing that kind of sign either when I went there.

[Keith B]

I don't think it matters. The license is in effect for the address, and it is a 51% location, so believe it it would be off limits. The only defense would be if they didn't properly have the sign posted.

[Fibonacci]

I was in the Kimbell for the Caravaggio exhibit right after the first of the year.

There is a non-compliant (30.06) notice on the entrance (the "rear" entrance... the only one in use because the main entrance is closed for the expansion construction.)

I had seen that sign before so, even though it was non-compliant, I was not carrying. We had lunch there and the restaurant area had the 51% signs at the hostess desk and along the serving line. They do sell wine there with their lunch menu.

[TacShot]

I was in the Kimbell for the Caravaggio exhibit right after the first of the year.

There is a non-compliant (30.06) notice on the entrance (the "rear" entrance... the only one in use because the main entrance is closed for the expansion construction.)

I had seen that sign before so, even though it was non-compliant, I was not carrying. We had lunch there and the restaurant area had the 51% signs at the hostess desk and along the serving line. They do sell wine there with their lunch menu.

Refresh my memory please, does that make the entire building or just the restaurant off limits to a CHL. If the answer is the whole building, how, in the post above, would the CHL know before he got to the restaurant?

[Keith B]

I was in the Kimbell for the Caravaggio exhibit right after the first of the year.

There is a non-compliant (30.06) notice on the entrance (the "rear" entrance... the only one in use because the main entrance is closed for the expansion construction.)

I had seen that sign before so, even though it was non-compliant, I was not carrying. We had lunch there and the restaurant area had the 51% signs at the hostess desk and along the serving line. They do sell wine there with their lunch menu.

Refresh my memory please, does that make the entire building or just the restaurant off limits to a CHL. If the answer is the whole building, how, in the post above, would the CHL know before he got to the restaurant?

That's a good question. Until you have seen the sign, you have not been given notice. Once you do, then you must assume the whole building is off limits until you can verify if it is just a specific area or whole building. Businesses can define only a portion of the building on the license. While I am not a TABC expert, my understanding is the area is usually defined as the places they can take alcohol to and from. So, in this case, if they restrict the consumption of alcohol they sell to the restaurant area, then the signs may be placed correctly and that is the only area off-limits. If the whole building is defined, they need to post the signs on the entrances. I would think they hold banquets and do special showings and allow alcohol to be consumed in areas other than the restaurant, so my guess is whole building is defined. The only way to know for sure is to call the TABC local office and inquire if it is the whole building or not. If the whole building, then TABC can and will make sure they locate their signs per regulations. And, they can also go back and question the vendor about the percentages again if there is question that they really make that much from alcohol sales.

Bottom line, once you see the sign and have notice, you best back out of the building and not carry until you know for sure where you are and are not legal.

[The Annoyed Man]

I was in the Kimbell for the Caravaggio exhibit right after the first of the year.

There is a non-compliant (30.06) notice on the entrance (the "rear" entrance... the only one in use because the main entrance is closed for the expansion construction.)

I had seen that sign before so, even though it was non-compliant, I was not carrying. We had lunch there and the restaurant area had the 51% signs at the hostess desk and along the serving line. They do sell wine there with their lunch menu.

Refresh my memory please, does that make the entire building or just the restaurant off limits to a CHL. If the answer is the whole building, how, in the post above, would the CHL know before he got to the restaurant?

That's a good question. Until you have seen the sign, you have not been given notice. Once you do, then you must assume the whole building is off limits until you can verify if it is just a specific area or whole building. Businesses can define only a portion of the building on the license. While I am not a TABC expert, my understanding is the area is usually defined as the places they can take alcohol to and from. So, in this case, if they restrict the consumption of alcohol they sell to the restaurant area, then the signs may be placed correctly and that is the only area off-limits. If the whole building is defined, they need to post the signs on the entrances. I would think they hold banquets and do special showings and allow alcohol to be consumed in areas other than the restaurant, so my guess is whole building is defined. The only way to know for sure is to call the TABC local office and inquire if it is the whole building or not. If the whole building, then TABC can and will make sure they locate their signs per regulations. And, they can also go back and question the vendor about the percentages again if there is question that they really make that much from alcohol sales.

Bottom line, once you see the sign and have notice, you best back out of the building and not carry until you know for sure where you are and are not legal.

I would be VERY surprised if the museum allowed patrons to carry food and drink into the galleries. All it would take is someone tripping and splashing a goblet of wine onto a Caravaggio to do some damage to the painting. Also, what kind of 51% sign is it? Having eaten there, I can't imagine that they make more money from wine than from food.