Newark, NJ mayor - - - 80% of shooting victims are criminals

[MoJo]

Who would have ever thought that. I can see the Brady Bunch like the Wicked Witch of the West - - - "my statistics, my beautiful statistics, oh noooooooo"

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[ELB]

Wow. OK, it is really of those who are shot and killed , not just shot--- but those people have also been arrested an average of 10 times. An arrest is not a conviction, but 10 times?

[Oldgringo]

Wow. OK, it is really of those who are shot and killed , not just shot--- but those people have also been arrested an average of 10 times. An arrest is not a conviction, but 10 times?

Have y'all ever been to Newark, NJ? I have to wonder about the other 20%.

[ELB]

p.s. I'll bet the stats for most other cities are very similar.

[Ed4032]

Seems to be a problem in getting the crimimals to obey the law. They should know that are not supposed to be around a gun.

[chasfm11]

Seems to be a problem in getting the crimimals to obey the law. They should know that are not supposed to be around a gun.

NJ and specifically Newark is a pretty good example of the old phrase "when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns." Go look and the requirements for a law abiding citizen to own an handgun in NJ and you will see what I mean. And law abiding citizens have a pretty good chance of going to jail for a gun violation while the street criminals that make up the Mayor's statistics....not so much.

If it any consolation, Camden is almost as bad but only because it is not nearly as big as Newark.

We lived not too far from Newark and I flew out of Newark airport sometimes multiple times per week for almost 3 years. What you didn't ever want to do was make a wrong turn or get stuck in construction while trying to get to the airport, especially for very early morning flights or when getting back late at night. They used to allow us to pick up rental cars in Franklin Lakes and drive them to the airport. No way were any of the people that I worked with going to leave a personal car there while traveling. It is another place that you have to see to believe.

[stroguy]

Reminds me of that law the US passed many years ago....what was it.....oh.......yes....10 strikes and your out.

[Skiprr]

Kennedy said that pattern of violence is not unique to Newark. "This is the way the streets work," he said. "The idea that ordinary people kill each other is nearly never true."

"The folks who pick up a gun and kill another human being are the exception, even within an active criminal population and they almost always kill people in their same social networks. So they’re killing each other, in effect. Contrary to what a lot of people think, this stuff is not random. It’s not stranger on stranger," said Kennedy. "It’s people that know each other."

...And, somewhere, the Brady Bunch is thinking, "Nuts! How the heck can we spin this? And how can we prevent Rutgers from publishing the finished study?"

[The Annoyed Man]

I can tell you from my experience working in the ER that this is largely true.... Or used to be, anyway.

[ninemm]

I can tell you from my experience working in the ER that this is largely true.... Or used to be, anyway.

I think maybe it's like real estate. Location, location, location.

[Heartland Patriot]

Seems to be a problem in getting the crimimals to obey the law. They should know that are not supposed to be around a gun.

NJ and specifically Newark is a pretty good example of the old phrase "when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns." Go look and the requirements for a law abiding citizen to own an handgun in NJ and you will see what I mean. And law abiding citizens have a pretty good chance of going to jail for a gun violation while the street criminals that make up the Mayor's statistics....not so much.

If it any consolation, Camden is almost as bad but only because it is not nearly as big as Newark.

We lived not too far from Newark and I flew out of Newark airport sometimes multiple times per week for almost 3 years. What you didn't ever want to do was make a wrong turn or get stuck in construction while trying to get to the airport, especially for very early morning flights or when getting back late at night. They used to allow us to pick up rental cars in Franklin Lakes and drive them to the airport. No way were any of the people that I worked with going to leave a personal car there while traveling. It is another place that you have to see to believe.

I was stationed in New Jersey many years ago...my buddy had a old car and we used to go cruising around the state, mostly down to the shore, but sometimes wherever one of those little back roads took us...just because (gas was cheap then). Once, we made a wrong turn heading for Pennsylvania and ended up in the wrong part of Camden (the right part was/is pretty small I gathered)...it was when crack was king and the soup factory had closed (for the second time?)...anyway, that is the ONLY place I have ever been truly worried driving through in broad daylight...and if you say that Newark is worse? Wow...

[The Annoyed Man]

I can tell you from my experience working in the ER that this is largely true.... Or used to be, anyway.

I think maybe it's like real estate. Location, location, location.

My point is, you see very few gunshot patients who were not shot in the execution of a crime, or in retribution for a crime. Even among patients who were shot in marginal or "ghetto" neighborhoods, very few were actually innocent people minding their own business. For the most part, they were gang-bangin, and they were shot in some kind gang related fracas. Even if they weren't actively in the commission of a crime when they were shot, they had been in the commission of a crime mere hours before it happened.

Very very rarely was it someone who was either living in a better neighborhood, and very very rarely was it someone who was just a regular joe, holding down a job and taking care of his family.

[stroguy]

Sounds like a Wrightstown story. I had an old car and drove the back woods roads in NJ, mainly to the shore but also Philly on occasion. Funny.

[Texas Dan Mosby]

p.s. I'll bet the stats for most other cities are very similar.

Yup.

There's a T.V. series called "the first 48" about homicide investigations from various states around the nation. The overwhelming vast majority of the homicide victims featured in the show are all criminals with multiple arrests, or convictions, on their records. The individuals that killed them also have a long record of arrests and / or convictions.

Go figure...

[chasfm11]

Seems to be a problem in getting the crimimals to obey the law. They should know that are not supposed to be around a gun.

NJ and specifically Newark is a pretty good example of the old phrase "when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns." Go look and the requirements for a law abiding citizen to own an handgun in NJ and you will see what I mean. And law abiding citizens have a pretty good chance of going to jail for a gun violation while the street criminals that make up the Mayor's statistics....not so much.

If it any consolation, Camden is almost as bad but only because it is not nearly as big as Newark.

We lived not too far from Newark and I flew out of Newark airport sometimes multiple times per week for almost 3 years. What you didn't ever want to do was make a wrong turn or get stuck in construction while trying to get to the airport, especially for very early morning flights or when getting back late at night. They used to allow us to pick up rental cars in Franklin Lakes and drive them to the airport. No way were any of the people that I worked with going to leave a personal car there while traveling. It is another place that you have to see to believe.

I was stationed in New Jersey many years ago...my buddy had a old car and we used to go cruising around the state, mostly down to the shore, but sometimes wherever one of those little back roads took us...just because (gas was cheap then). Once, we made a wrong turn heading for Pennsylvania and ended up in the wrong part of Camden (the right part was/is pretty small I gathered)...it was when crack was king and the soup factory had closed (for the second time?)...anyway, that is the ONLY place I have ever been truly worried driving through in broad daylight...and if you say that Newark is worse? Wow...

I worked 9 years in downtown Phila and had the occasion to venture into Camden a few times. Camden is, indeed, a war zone, kept that way by a corrupt political setup. But for raw evil, the gang banging in Newark is worse and widespread. There are more rival gangs and turf wars. It is simply a volume difference between the two cities, not a measure of intensity. They are both places where it would be a good idea not to visit.