California bans open carry

[The Annoyed Man]

BTW, Brown got elected on a platform of fiscal rectitude. HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!

Looks like he fiscal wrecked it dude.

I totally agree. That's what made me laugh. California democrats think that anytime the government can spend the people's money, that's fiscal rectitude. (....and yes, I got the joke....)

[Heartland Patriot]

Who elected this clown y'all call Governor Moonbeam?

Liberals, and illegal aliens.

That's pretty much it. There are conservatives to be found in California, but they are far outnumbered by two other categories: unapologetic liberals (mostly democrats), and republicans who say they stand for conservative ideals.......which are apparently no different from liberal ideals. We haven't had anything resembling a true conservative as a California governor since Reagan, and even he wasn't always a conservative.

There's conservatism, of the rock-ribbed fiscal and social variety; and then there's "conservatism" of the fiscal variety but hands off everything else (which is essentially libertarianism). And then there's California republicanism: "I own a shotgun. Therefore I am a conservative. It's a $40,000 Purdy shotgun, but still.....I believe in the right of all people to own a $40,000 Purdy shotgun for upland bird hunting. But nobody needs a $800 'cop killer assault rifle.'"

There are comparatively few Californians who believe that a Korean-born store owner has the right to defend his store with an AR15 during a riot....let alone carry a handgun, concealed or unconcealed. Those that do are a small minority, and they are divided between the outspoken, and those who know not to bring trouble down on their heads. That small group of open carry activists has no political clout. Zero.......which is exactly why "in your face" open carry demonstrations blew up in their faces. But they lack the political wisdom to see that, and so they took a step backwards. That's as much on them as it is on the commies who run that Animal Farm.

THAT is how cement-heads like Brown get elected, and that that is why California is headed irrevocably into the toilet. Some day, they will be completely on their knees because of their policies, and they will beg for relief from the other 49 states. They are the Greece of the American Union. I have no sympathy.

It is a beautiful state, geographically; maybe one of the 3 or 4 prettiest in the nation. But it is governed by complete dolts.

TAM, that is the crowd that I am always talking about...the country club, inlay shotgun crowd who are "concerned" about firearm rights...once again, on this and pretty much everything else in your description of the sad state of California affairs, you are EXACTLY spot on. I get a little twinge sometimes about "retiring" from the USAF when I did (I could have hung on for a year or two longer perhaps), but whenever you put up one of these reminders, that twinge goes right away. Thanks.

[Jumping Frog]

It is a beautiful state, geographically; maybe one of the 3 or 4 prettiest in the nation. But it is governed by complete dolts.

It would have been a nice place to live from about 1945 to 1975. It has gotten progressively worse ever since.

[Purplehood]

It is a beautiful state, geographically; maybe one of the 3 or 4 prettiest in the nation. But it is governed by complete dolts.

It would have been a nice place to live from about 1945 to 1975. It has gotten progressively worse ever since.

Muwhahaha!, Progressively, I get it!

Sorry, I am calm now.

[Katygunnut]

It is a beautiful state, geographically; maybe one of the 3 or 4 prettiest in the nation. But it is governed by complete dolts.

It would have been a nice place to live from about 1945 to 1975. It has gotten progressively worse ever since.

I've never been to Colombia, but I hear that it is beautiful as well. There are alot of gorgeous places run by third world dictatorships. Kalifornia is not unique in this respect.

[sjfcontrol]

It is a beautiful state, geographically; maybe one of the 3 or 4 prettiest in the nation. But it is governed by complete dolts.

It would have been a nice place to live from about 1945 to 1975. It has gotten progressively worse ever since.

I've never been to Colombia, but I hear that it is beautiful as well. There are alot of gorgeous places run by third world dictatorships. Kalifornia is not unique in this respect.

Venezuela is quite nice. But wouldn't want to live there.

[boba]

Parts of Afghanistan are ruggedly beautiful.

[RPB]

CA has officially laid out the red carpet for all criminals to come there and prey on it's citizens as not only will they not issue CC permits but they now do not permit even the open carry of unloaded firearms. What I have to say about this is not appropriate for a family friendly website. Just thought yall should be aware.

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It's a safer "feeling" place now.
I guess "feeling" safe is what they prefer to being safer.
6 killed, 3 wounded in shooting at Southern California hair salon
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[OldCannon]

You know, I just think it's pointless to open any thread that is of the subject: "California bans <something related to shooting>", because
a) It's not like it was unexpected
b) It's not like California is part of the United States anyway.

[TXlaw1]

I did not lose or leave anything in California and I won't be going there anytime voluntarily - EVER! Perhaps the rumors that it will one day fall into the sea from earthquakes will actually happen. It so remind me of Sodom and Gomorrah.

[bilgerat57]

I'm still waiting for the massive earthquake that drops the whole state into the pacific.......

[PracticalTactical]

The OC banners in California are idiots.

When citizens denied CCW permits in CA sued in the past, the judges ruled that they weren't denied their rights under the US or California constitutions because they could still fall back on OC. Now that OC is illegal, those court opinions will be revisited and they will have to either bring back OC or go to 'shall issue'.

Plus, all of the OC activists will just revert to carrying long guns. If somebody was wetting their pants at the sight of a holstered sidearm, wait until they see the slung rifles and shotguns :)

[C-dub]

The OC banners in California are idiots.

When citizens denied CCW permits in CA sued in the past, the judges ruled that they weren't denied their rights under the US or California constitutions because they could still fall back on OC. Now that OC is illegal, those court opinions will be revisited and they will have to either bring back OC or go to 'shall issue'.

Plus, all of the OC activists will just revert to carrying long guns. If somebody was wetting their pants at the sight of a holstered sidearm, wait until they see the slung rifles and shotguns :)

Interesting. So, this may be a good thing if it results in them going to "shall issue," but that's a mighty big IF.

[XinTX]

The OC banners in California are idiots.

When citizens denied CCW permits in CA sued in the past, the judges ruled that they weren't denied their rights under the US or California constitutions because they could still fall back on OC. Now that OC is illegal, those court opinions will be revisited and they will have to either bring back OC or go to 'shall issue'.

The flaw in this is the expectation of sanity from any judge on the left coast.

[high_landerDZ]

Well as a recent Californian, the OC movement invited a lot of scrutiny and made public a lot of their events, and encouraged their members to carry recording equipment for LEO encounters. There was a fellow who almost went to jail in the city I used to live in. He was at a laundromat and police showed up and he was under the impression he was on private property and the ADA decided to prosecute since he violated the GFSZ statute. Long story short he lost his gun rights for 10 years and moved out of the country. The CalGuns Foundation is doing quite a lot legally speaking with litigation to overturn a lot of the stupid laws, and trying step by step to get CA to a shall issue state. One misstep I think they made was endorsing Jerry Brown for gov, as he was very pro-2A, but it looks like he screwed them over.

Persoanlly I would like to see TX have the option of Open Carry or CCW.