My firm's policy on concealed carry

[apostate]

IMHO

1. Employer can prohibit employee from carrying in their building. (yes) (yes)
1a. Employer can prohibit employee from carrying outside their car in the parking lot, on the grounds and on other company real property. ( ) (yes)
2. Employer can prohibit employee from keeping gun in locked private vehicle in employer parking lot. (no) (no, except for exceptions in the law, such as school districts and chemical plants)
3. Employer can prohibit employee from carrying gun in vehicle owned or leased by employer anywhere. (yes) (yes)
4. Employer can prohibit employee from keeping gun in locked private vehicle anywhere while on company business. (no) (maybe - SB 321 is silent on the subject of roads and other non-parking areas)
5. Client can prohibit law firm's employee from keeping gun in locked private vehicle in client's parking lot. (yes maybe) (maybe - SB 321 is silent on parking areas the employer doesn't provide for the employee)
6. Client can prohibit law firm's employee from carrying gun on client premises. (yes) (yes)
7. Employer can prohibit employee from carrying outside their car while on company business. ( ) (yes)

Accounting firms too.

[Oldgringo]

In Texas, one can be fired at anytime for any reason except when one can't.

ITMT, DADT and concealed is concealed.

Got it?

[C-dub]

IMHO

1. Employer can prohibit employee from carrying in their building. (yes) (yes)
1a. Employer can prohibit employee from carrying outside their car in the parking lot, on the grounds and on other company real property. ( ) (yes)
2. Employer can prohibit employee from keeping gun in locked private vehicle in employer parking lot. (no) (no, except for exceptions in the law, such as school districts and chemical plants)
3. Employer can prohibit employee from carrying gun in vehicle owned or leased by employer anywhere. (yes) (yes)
4. Employer can prohibit employee from keeping gun in locked private vehicle anywhere while on company business. (no) (maybe - SB 321 is silent on the subject of roads and other non-parking areas)
5. Client can prohibit law firm's employee from keeping gun in locked private vehicle in client's parking lot. (yes maybe) (maybe - SB 321 is silent on parking areas the employer doesn't provide for the employee)
6. Client can prohibit law firm's employee from carrying gun on client premises. (yes) (yes)
7. Employer can prohibit employee from carrying outside their car while on company business. ( ) (yes)

Accounting firms too.

Now we're getting somewhere. It seems I was right and we are fairly close in agreement except for a few minor points.

I think #4 is no because if they cannot prohibit me from keeping it in my vehicle in the company parking lot then how could they elsewhere?

I think #5 is yes depending on the client/contractor relationship and whether or not they could post a 30.06 sign and gunbuster sign if the client is considered not to be an employee and the client actually controlled the parking lot.

I knew there was a #7 in there somewhere. I think the answer to #7 is no because I would not be on property my employer controls.

[C-dub]

In Texas, one can be fired at anytime for any reason except when one can't.

ITMT, DADT and concealed is concealed.

Got it?

And, fortunately for me, my company is so afraid of wrongful termination lawsuits for various reasons that they are meticulous about documenting legitimate reasons for terminating someone. Although they have not changed their policy yet, I have carried and left mine in my vehicle twice now.

[apostate]

I think #4 is no because if they cannot prohibit me from keeping it in my vehicle in the company parking lot then how could they elsewhere?

See Oldgringo's post above.

From a practical standpoint, how would they know? The same could be said for #7. But for gedankenexperiment purposes...

[gregthehand]

Sorry but I don't understand why some people on here agonize over these form written company policies so much. Everywhere I've worked has had them. At every place I kept it concealed. I never got found out because I was very careful. Concealed means concealed. If you don't trust yourself to keep it concealed than keep it in your car. How would they find out if it was in your car?

[C-dub]

I think #4 is no because if they cannot prohibit me from keeping it in my vehicle in the company parking lot then how could they elsewhere?

See Oldgringo's post above.

From a practical standpoint, how would they know? The same could be said for #7. But for gedankenexperiment purposes...

Yup.

Good night everyone. It's been a long day and there's still tomorrow.

[Bart]

Sorry but I don't understand why some people on here agonize over these form written company policies so much. Everywhere I've worked has had them. At every place I kept it concealed. I never got found out because I was very careful. Concealed means concealed. If you don't trust yourself to keep it concealed than keep it in your car. How would they find out if it was in your car?

That plan also works in bars and colleges.

[terryg]

Sorry but I don't understand why some people on here agonize over these form written company policies so much. Everywhere I've worked has had them. At every place I kept it concealed. I never got found out because I was very careful. Concealed means concealed. If you don't trust yourself to keep it concealed than keep it in your car. How would they find out if it was in your car?

That plan also works in bars and colleges.

Yeah, only risk side of the equation is much higher. Rather than just losing your job or getting kicked out of school, the risk because actual charges because you may be actually breaking the law.

[Bart]

It seems some people think they're perfect at concealing, so nobody has to worry about company policy. For them, the math is the same. Zero times anything is still zero.