Ron Paul vs Rick Perry

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Which Texan do you want to win GOP nod?

Poll ended at Thu Nov 17, 2011 10:04 am

Ron Paul
51
36%
Rick Perry
85
61%
Other (sorry not a Texas fan)
4
3%
 
Total votes: 140

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punkndisorderly wrote:I love Ron Paul. He has principals and you can pretty much guess what he's going to say before he says it. He'll still say it even if he knows it won't be popular.

I wonder if he's unelectable because he just is, or because the liberals and neo-con politicians, political hacks, and main stream media have repeated it so often it has become true.
Most of America will not vote for a person that is sooo ODD.
He's got a quirky demeanor, a shy-but-nerdy-grandfatherly-professor-like-harmless-old-man persona.
Ru Paul has a beter shot at winning the nomination than Ron Paul.
None of that is any commentary on his platform, just an observation that America can be superficial that way.

What is it about Libertarians, anyways, Gary Johnson is almost as odd as Ron Paul? :mrgreen:
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Toorop wrote:I will be voting for Ron Paul whether he gets the nomination or not. I will not vote against someone but I will vote for someone. I would rather 4 more years of Obama then Perry.
How are you going to vote for someone not on the ballot? Ron Paul will not get the Republican nomination and will succeed only in raising a lot of money from his groupies; just like the last time he "ran for President."

Saying you will vote for Ron Paul, but you'd rather have 4 more years of Obama than have Perry as President speaks volumes.

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...sad that we don't have better "pickins" but I'm going to vote for the Republican who has the best chance to beat Obsama...I won't throw away my vote to make a protest...votes for fringers, wonderful candidates who don't stand a chance, or a write-in for our favorite minister will only help insure we get 4 more years of this...the objective is to limit this occupant to one term...and we'll have to select the best of what's available to make that happen...when faced with a herd of dragons...deal with the biggest one first... :patriot:
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speedsix wrote:...sad that we don't have better "pickins" but I'm going to vote for the Republican who has the best chance to beat Obsama...I won't throw away my vote to make a protest...votes for fringers, wonderful candidates who don't stand a chance, or a write-in for our favorite minister will only help insure we get 4 more years of this...the objective is to limit this occupant to one term...and we'll have to select the best of what's available to make that happen...when faced with a herd of dragons...deal with the biggest one first... :patriot:
Absolutist protest voters don't care. They don't care if the country is even more badly torn apart by 4 more years of Obama, so long as they retain their precious ideologically purity. They care more about their purity than they do about the fate of the nation. You can't argue with people like that because they are navel gazers who refuse to accept the reality around them.

I want a Constitutional government as much as the next guy, but I accept that the candidate that can win might not pass my smell test with a perfect score. I'm OK with that. My wife and I occasionally disagree, and we manage to share a home and a bed without getting nasty about our disagreements. But some people are unable to see the bigger picture. What are you going to do? You just have to ignore people like that, otherwise they'll drive your blood pressure up. They remind me of Adam from Mythbusters: "I reject your reality and substitute my own!" Well, someone who cannot navigate reality with their eyes open can't really have a realistic appraisal of the political landscape. If they can just keep their heads in the sand, things will be Ok.
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Re: Ron Paul vs Rick Perry

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...problem with that is a part of the anatomy which may resemble the head greatly is highly exposed... :iagree:

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Charles L. Cotton wrote:
Toorop wrote:I will be voting for Ron Paul whether he gets the nomination or not. I will not vote against someone but I will vote for someone. I would rather 4 more years of Obama then Perry.
How are you going to vote for someone not on the ballot? Ron Paul will not get the Republican nomination and will succeed only in raising a lot of money from his groupies; just like the last time he "ran for President."

Saying you will vote for Ron Paul, but you'd rather have 4 more years of Obama than have Perry as President speaks volumes.

Chas.
I don't live in Texas, but I do plan to move there within the near future. I am trying to find a job somewhere out there and to go back to school. I will just write Ron Paul in as I did last time.

I consider myself to be very much a libertarian with a few disagreeing views to their traditional values to be honest. I am not a fan of any of the GOP candidates except for Ron Paul. In my opinion he is the only true Conservative. And most importantly he is the only honest one in my opinion and that means a lot to me. All of the candidates they have put up have done something that I dislike and I just won't vote for them.

As far as Obama goes, I believe he is doing the best he can but he is not going about it the right way. Either way I campaigned for Ron Paul in 2008 and I will be voting for him in 2012 as well as working for his candidacy.
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punkndisorderly wrote:I love Ron Paul. He has principals and you can pretty much guess what he's going to say before he says it. He'll still say it even if he knows it won't be popular.

I wonder if he's unelectable because he just is, or because the liberals and neo-con politicians, political hacks, and main stream media have repeated it so often it has become true.

I can't stand Perry. He's all politician. He's always struck me a a pretty boy concerned with Rick Perry first, his buddies and cronies second, and Texas third. I'll hold my nose and vote for him if I have to. Obama is worse. My wife can't stand Obama either, but has said she'll stay home on election day if it's between Perry and Obama.

To me, a Perry vs Obama election reminds me of the douche vs thug election on the show South Park.
If more Ron Paul supporters were as practical as you are, we would have fewer problems in November getting Obama out of office. With all due respect to your wife, I understand her frustration, but staying home in protest will help to ensure an Obama victory—making her as responsible for the outcome as anybody who votes for him. There really is no middle ground here. A second Obama term would be the permanent death knell of Constitutional government in this country. Either a "stay at home" protest, or a 3rd party protest vote is a vote FOR Obama—no matter the purity of your intentions.
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Toorop wrote:
Charles L. Cotton wrote:
Toorop wrote:I will be voting for Ron Paul whether he gets the nomination or not. I will not vote against someone but I will vote for someone. I would rather 4 more years of Obama then Perry.
How are you going to vote for someone not on the ballot? Ron Paul will not get the Republican nomination and will succeed only in raising a lot of money from his groupies; just like the last time he "ran for President."

Saying you will vote for Ron Paul, but you'd rather have 4 more years of Obama than have Perry as President speaks volumes.

Chas.
I don't live in Texas, but I do plan to move there within the near future. I am trying to find a job somewhere out there and to go back to school. I will just write Ron Paul in as I did last time.

I consider myself to be very much a libertarian with a few disagreeing views to their traditional values to be honest. I am not a fan of any of the GOP candidates except for Ron Paul. In my opinion he is the only true Conservative. And most importantly he is the only honest one in my opinion and that means a lot to me. All of the candidates they have put up have done something that I dislike and I just won't vote for them.

As far as Obama goes, I believe he is doing the best he can but he is not going about it the right way. Either way I campaigned for Ron Paul in 2008 and I will be voting for him in 2012 as well as working for his candidacy.
....And you are either politically naive, or you are OK with another four years of Obama. How do you rationalize that in the light of your right to keep and bear arms? You DO realize, don't you, that he would ban your right to a CHL if he could, don't you?
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The Annoyed Man wrote:
punkndisorderly wrote:I love Ron Paul. He has principals and you can pretty much guess what he's going to say before he says it. He'll still say it even if he knows it won't be popular.

I wonder if he's unelectable because he just is, or because the liberals and neo-con politicians, political hacks, and main stream media have repeated it so often it has become true.

I can't stand Perry. He's all politician. He's always struck me a a pretty boy concerned with Rick Perry first, his buddies and cronies second, and Texas third. I'll hold my nose and vote for him if I have to. Obama is worse. My wife can't stand Obama either, but has said she'll stay home on election day if it's between Perry and Obama.

To me, a Perry vs Obama election reminds me of the douche vs thug election on the show South Park.
If more Ron Paul supporters were as practical as you are, we would have fewer problems in November getting Obama out of office. With all due respect to your wife, I understand her frustration, but staying home in protest will help to ensure an Obama victory—making her as responsible for the outcome as anybody who votes for him. There really is no middle ground here. A second Obama term would be the permanent death knell of Constitutional government in this country. Either a "stay at home" protest, or a 3rd party protest vote is a vote FOR Obama—no matter the purity of your intentions.
Reality stinks sometimes.

I had to clear a dead possum from my yard yesterday. He was there maybe 2-3 days before the winds came up and provided notice of his demise.
Sure, I could have just gone out and cut some Rosemary from the spice bed and come back in the house, but the problem would only have gotten worse.

Obama stinks even more.
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The Annoyed Man wrote:
punkndisorderly wrote:I love Ron Paul. He has principals and you can pretty much guess what he's going to say before he says it. He'll still say it even if he knows it won't be popular.

I wonder if he's unelectable because he just is, or because the liberals and neo-con politicians, political hacks, and main stream media have repeated it so often it has become true.

I can't stand Perry. He's all politician. He's always struck me a a pretty boy concerned with Rick Perry first, his buddies and cronies second, and Texas third. I'll hold my nose and vote for him if I have to. Obama is worse. My wife can't stand Obama either, but has said she'll stay home on election day if it's between Perry and Obama.

To me, a Perry vs Obama election reminds me of the douche vs thug election on the show South Park.
If more Ron Paul supporters were as practical as you are, we would have fewer problems in November getting Obama out of office. With all due respect to your wife, I understand her frustration, but staying home in protest will help to ensure an Obama victory—making her as responsible for the outcome as anybody who votes for him. There really is no middle ground here. A second Obama term would be the permanent death knell of Constitutional government in this country. Either a "stay at home" protest, or a 3rd party protest vote is a vote FOR Obama—no matter the purity of your intentions.


I agree there is no middle ground, those who don't or won't vote, are fooling themselves.

I can't believe someone actually said they would vote for obummer.
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RoyGBiv wrote:
The Annoyed Man wrote:
punkndisorderly wrote:I love Ron Paul. He has principals and you can pretty much guess what he's going to say before he says it. He'll still say it even if he knows it won't be popular.

I wonder if he's unelectable because he just is, or because the liberals and neo-con politicians, political hacks, and main stream media have repeated it so often it has become true.

I can't stand Perry. He's all politician. He's always struck me a a pretty boy concerned with Rick Perry first, his buddies and cronies second, and Texas third. I'll hold my nose and vote for him if I have to. Obama is worse. My wife can't stand Obama either, but has said she'll stay home on election day if it's between Perry and Obama.

To me, a Perry vs Obama election reminds me of the douche vs thug election on the show South Park.
If more Ron Paul supporters were as practical as you are, we would have fewer problems in November getting Obama out of office. With all due respect to your wife, I understand her frustration, but staying home in protest will help to ensure an Obama victory—making her as responsible for the outcome as anybody who votes for him. There really is no middle ground here. A second Obama term would be the permanent death knell of Constitutional government in this country. Either a "stay at home" protest, or a 3rd party protest vote is a vote FOR Obama—no matter the purity of your intentions.
Reality stinks sometimes.

I had to clear a dead possum from my yard yesterday. He was there maybe 2-3 days before the winds came up and provided notice of his demise.
Sure, I could have just gone out and cut some Rosemary from the spice bed and come back in the house, but the problem would only have gotten worse.

Obama stinks even more.

...I think you owe all God-fearin', patriotic possums an apology... "rlol"
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Toorop wrote:
Charles L. Cotton wrote:
Toorop wrote:I will be voting for Ron Paul whether he gets the nomination or not. I will not vote against someone but I will vote for someone. I would rather 4 more years of Obama then Perry.
How are you going to vote for someone not on the ballot? Ron Paul will not get the Republican nomination and will succeed only in raising a lot of money from his groupies; just like the last time he "ran for President."

Saying you will vote for Ron Paul, but you'd rather have 4 more years of Obama than have Perry as President speaks volumes.

Chas.
I don't live in Texas, but I do plan to move there within the near future. I am trying to find a job somewhere out there and to go back to school. I will just write Ron Paul in as I did last time.

I consider myself to be very much a libertarian with a few disagreeing views to their traditional values to be honest. I am not a fan of any of the GOP candidates except for Ron Paul. In my opinion he is the only true Conservative. And most importantly he is the only honest one in my opinion and that means a lot to me. All of the candidates they have put up have done something that I dislike and I just won't vote for them.

As far as Obama goes, I believe he is doing the best he can but he is not going about it the right way. Either way I campaigned for Ron Paul in 2008 and I will be voting for him in 2012 as well as working for his candidacy.
While Ron Paul and the Libertarian Party hold a few (emphasis on "few") beliefs with which conservatives will agree, neither Ron Paul nor the Libertarian Party platform are the least bit conservative. They are ultra liberal on social issues and are anarchist on others. Look at the 2010 Libertarian Party Platform below. Here are a few highlights: the LP 1) supports legalizing all drug use; 2) opposes laws against abortion, homosexual acts, or "same sex" marriages; 3) supports opening all borders to anyone wanting to come into the U.S.; and 4) oppose deploying any U.S. armed forces outside the continental U.S. Again, these are just highlights. The LP Platform sometimes gives their rationale and often it can only be classified as delusional. For example, the LP supports repeal of all environmental protection laws because the free market will protect the environment on its own. That is delusional! If Ron Paul and the Libertarian Party had their way, the world would take a giant step back towards the days of the robber barons that Teddy Roosevelt crushed. Had he not done so, the U.S. would have become a third world country run by a handful of people who held all of the country's wealth.

Remember, Ron Paul ran for President twice, once in the Republican Primary and once as the Libertarian Candidate. While I have a "forum friend" who is a libertarian (little "L" as he points out), he distances himself from the national party. Ron Paul didn't distance himself, he proudly carried their banner as the Libertarian candidate for President.

When Ron Paul supporters and Libertarian Party Members call themselves "conservatives," it is a disservice to true conservatives. Libertarians can best be described as anarchists with a few conservative ideas.

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I can sum this up in four words: Ron Paul scares me. :banghead:

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While I find a lot of libertarians' ideas to be good food for thought, I know as well as I am sitting here typing, that many of those ideas wouldn't work so good in real life. I mean, look at communism, as an example...lots of folks think that is "great on paper", but anyone with more than two brain cells who isn't a crook can see how bad that has worked out. There are always bad folks out there ready to take the slightest opening and exploit any given situation to the fullest, ESPECIALLY in regards to international politics and national defense. I despise nuclear weapons with a passion, for instance, but I KNOW if we didn't have them, some of our big cities would be smoking craters and the rest of us would be calling someone in another country "boss". I'll stick with conservatism...and do my best to vote for those I think hold conservative values.

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The Annoyed Man wrote:
Toorop wrote:
Charles L. Cotton wrote:
Toorop wrote:I will be voting for Ron Paul whether he gets the nomination or not. I will not vote against someone but I will vote for someone. I would rather 4 more years of Obama then Perry.
How are you going to vote for someone not on the ballot? Ron Paul will not get the Republican nomination and will succeed only in raising a lot of money from his groupies; just like the last time he "ran for President."

Saying you will vote for Ron Paul, but you'd rather have 4 more years of Obama than have Perry as President speaks volumes.

Chas.
I don't live in Texas, but I do plan to move there within the near future. I am trying to find a job somewhere out there and to go back to school. I will just write Ron Paul in as I did last time.

I consider myself to be very much a libertarian with a few disagreeing views to their traditional values to be honest. I am not a fan of any of the GOP candidates except for Ron Paul. In my opinion he is the only true Conservative. And most importantly he is the only honest one in my opinion and that means a lot to me. All of the candidates they have put up have done something that I dislike and I just won't vote for them.

As far as Obama goes, I believe he is doing the best he can but he is not going about it the right way. Either way I campaigned for Ron Paul in 2008 and I will be voting for him in 2012 as well as working for his candidacy.
....And you are either politically naive, or you are OK with another four years of Obama. How do you rationalize that in the light of your right to keep and bear arms? You DO realize, don't you, that he would ban your right to a CHL if he could, don't you?
I am fine with another four more years of Obama as it will come down to him or someone I don't like is my guess. I would rather Ron Paul, but I don't see him getting into the White House.

Yes I understand Obama is anti-gun, however he has expanded gun rights more than any other recent president with his signing of the national parks carry. I know he did not want to sign it but he did anyway. Bush did not expand gun rights and gladly stated he would sign an extension of the Clinton AWB. Why didn't the GOP roll back some of the anti-gun laws when they had the POTUS and the Congress? Ronald Reagan was extremely anti-gun and we know because of his actions as governor and POTUS. He is the reason I can no longer purchase the M4 machine gun I have been wanting.

As far as gun rights though, that is not the only issue I am truly concerned with. The economy is a major factor in my opinion as well as our foreign policy. Gay rights and abortion are also important to me as I am pro-gay rights and pro-choice. I am also pro-gun but it is not the only factor on how I vote.
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