I'm disturbed...

[paulhailes]

Sounds interesting, keep us informed.

[foreman]

I would be interested in something like that!

[raptor]

I'm more disturbed by the lack of incentive for drivers to improve their skills. The death rate from vehicular accidents is too high and the injury rate is even worse. Most of the so-called "accidents" result from negligence or other operator error and are therefore preventable if drivers were held to a higher standard.

Anyways, back to the subject of firearm proficiency, I want to hear what you come up with. Especially if the drills can be done at typical public shooting ranges.

ETA: Have you heard of the FAST drill? http://pistol-training.com/drills/fast- ... speed-test" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[TLynnHughes]

I'm getting my thoughts together, so forgive the fragmented approach.

I'm disturbed by the general lack of incentive for CHL holders - or in fact any gun-owner - to try and achieve a higher level of skill. Training courses are expensive, money's tight all around - and I happen to like things that folks can practice by themselves and force them to stretch a bit.

I was browsing the federal Air Marshal's pistol standards recently and, although they're not easy, they're achievable by anyone fairly competent with a pistol. I compared them to the standards I expected of my PSD team overseas and was surprised that many were similar to mine - and some were ever-so-slightly easier in terms of the time allowed.

I'm designing a very short, standardized exercise to replicate a real street encounter that can be easily practiced by anybody on their own so as to avoid any "course fees" - and then shot successfully while witnessed in order to qualify. I have very specific requirements in mind for the course of fire, which I'll keep to myself for now, but as a hint, it should be shootable with 2 targets and (right now) about 10 rounds of ammo max. Yes, it's very short and very quick - but it won't be a "gimme".

To make sure that it's something to work for, the idea is that it be shot cold successfully 3 times (on separate days, to make sure that it's shot cold each time) and witnessed as such in order to qualify as a "Gunfighter" or "Gunslinger" (borrowed from The Dark Tower series by Steven King) - perhaps a certificate, embroidered patch or whatever to be displayed with pride.

It doesn't actually make one a gunfighter, of course - it just certifies that someone has met a pretty tough standard.

Thoughts?

I'm certainly interested in hearing more. The NRA has their Pistol Marksmanship Program that folks can do on their own, (the last stage requires an NRA instructor to witness) but it's pretty much standing and shooting X number of shots in an 8" circle from X feet away. It's not easy, but there is no "realism" involved.

Keep us posted! I'd like to take a shot at it. <pun intended>

T.

[boomstick]

I'm in... But I want a patch, certificate and a coffee mug!

[suthdj]

I'm getting my thoughts together, so forgive the fragmented approach.

I'm disturbed by the general lack of incentive for CHL holders - or in fact any gun-owner - to try and achieve a higher level of skill. Training courses are expensive, money's tight all around - and I happen to like things that folks can practice by themselves and force them to stretch a bit.

I was browsing the federal Air Marshal's pistol standards recently and, although they're not easy, they're achievable by anyone fairly competent with a pistol. I compared them to the standards I expected of my PSD team overseas and was surprised that many were similar to mine - and some were ever-so-slightly easier in terms of the time allowed.

I'm designing a very short, standardized exercise to replicate a real street encounter that can be easily practiced by anybody on their own so as to avoid any "course fees" - and then shot successfully while witnessed in order to qualify. I have very specific requirements in mind for the course of fire, which I'll keep to myself for now, but as a hint, it should be shootable with 2 targets and (right now) about 10 rounds of ammo max. Yes, it's very short and very quick - but it won't be a "gimme".

To make sure that it's something to work for, the idea is that it be shot cold successfully 3 times (on separate days, to make sure that it's shot cold each time) and witnessed as such in order to qualify as a "Gunfighter" or "Gunslinger" (borrowed from The Dark Tower series by Steven King) - perhaps a certificate, embroidered patch or whatever to be displayed with pride.

It doesn't actually make one a gunfighter, of course - it just certifies that someone has met a pretty tough standard.

Thoughts?

Nice idea, If you need a guinea pig to test with let me know, I can always use an excuse to go shooting. I also live close to Shoot Smart and they allow fast shooting and drawing from holster in private lane.

[williamkevin]

Sounds great to me. I like the challenge coin idea! Let me know if I can help!

[toddlinder]

That sounds good to me, I would be very interested.

[2farnorth]

The problem I have with scenario training is that most public ranges prohibit the use of holsters. Some do have formal classes in which they will do limited scenario training. I assume that most of the restrictions have something to do with their insurance. When I lived on a 1000 acre spread I and my family could do in house training with obstacles, barricades, and moveable targets. But now with 1.5 acres in town with no access to open range such training is now an expensive dream except for dry fire drills.

[alvins]

I'm more disturbed by the lack of incentive for drivers to improve their skills. The death rate from vehicular accidents is too high and the injury rate is even worse. Most of the so-called "accidents" result from negligence or other operator error and are therefore preventable if drivers were held to a higher standard.


ETA: Have you heard of the FAST drill? http://pistol-training.com/drills/fast- ... speed-test" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

thats because we give blind people drivers license's. and why dont you have to know english to drive when all the signs are in english?

[Pug]

...I have very specific requirements in mind for the course of fire, which I'll keep to myself for now, but as a hint, it should be shootable with 2 targets and (right now) about 10 rounds of ammo max. Yes, it's very short and very quick - but it won't be a "gimme".

To make sure that it's something to work for, the idea is that it be shot cold successfully 3 times (on separate days, to make sure that it's shot cold each time) and witnessed as such in order to qualify as a "Gunfighter" or "Gunslinger" (borrowed from The Dark Tower series by Steven King) - perhaps a certificate, embroidered patch or whatever to be displayed with pride....

Thoughts?

OK...I'll take the bait. I know that I need to improve my skills, and am persuaded that it cannot be self-taught. Watching the thread...