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[Jumping Frog]

From Attempted Barber Shop Robbery Turns Deadly in Detroit

2 BGs go in to rob a Barber Shop. They fire a shot into the floor to tell people to hurry up. A customer sitting in barber chair with the smock covering him draws from concealment and shoots one BG dead. The other runs.

Here is one thing that is impressive. Three children were also standing behind the barber chair. That same customer took his unarmed hand and swept the three children into a safe spot out of the way against the wall.

The deceased BG was already on parole for an armed robbery conviction. Guess the next step will be newspaper articles quoting family members about how the poor disadvantaged youth was "trying to turn his life around".

[papajohn1964]

[WickedOwl]

And nothing of value was lost. Kudos to the good guy (GG?) and his "automatic clip containing multiple rounds."

[jmra]

From Attempted Barber Shop Robbery Turns Deadly in Detroit

2 BGs go in to rob a Barber Shop. They fire a shot into the floor to tell people to hurry up. A customer sitting in barber chair with the smock covering him draws from concealment and shoots one BG dead. The other runs.

Here is one thing that is impressive. Three children were also standing behind the barber chair. That same customer took his unarmed hand and swept the three children into a safe spot out of the way against the wall.

The deceased BG was already on parole for an armed robbery conviction. Guess the next step will be newspaper articles quoting family members about how the poor disadvantaged youth was "trying to turn his life around".

I guess you could say that at least one on the bg's has been reformed - because he won't be doing that again.

[SQLGeek]

From the opening line of the article:

" Two guys walked in to a very busy Gents Barbershop at about 5:30 p.m. Friday on Whittier at Stratman on Detroit's east side. One with a gun said, "You know what time it is.""

Oh but if only that criminal knew who's time was about to be up. I wonder if the good guy shot through the smock or not? Regardless, it sounds like he exhibited fantastic situational awareness.

[woodsong]

And nothing of value was lost. Kudos to the good guy (GG?) and his "automatic clip containing multiple rounds."

Hmmm -- it probably contained "deadly hollow-point bullets", too.

[Rex B]

I just hope the GG was able to finish his haircut.
Good grooming is not to be neglected for a moment's excitement

[chasfm11]

I'm glad that this turned out as well as it did. While trying to understand what happened, based on this report, it had the potential to go several different ways.

1. The BG had already discharged his gun into the floor so unless he was out of ammo or had a gun malfunction afterwards, he had a "hot" weapon in his hands. He could just as easily raised it and shot back torward the GG or the kids or both while the "clip" was being emptied in his direction.
2. I've read that BGs are often cowards and the 2nd BG taking off when the GG opened fire in this reinforced that that point. The thing that I'm most worried about if I faced a similar situation is getting tunnel vision and focusing only on the BG in front of me while the 2nd BG opens fire on me. Training to "share" my magazine among multiple BGs seems to be one of the more difficult scenarios handle. I would love to hear from the GG if he even recognized that the 2nd BG was in full retreat while he was handling the first BG.
3. The report said that there were two armed customers. There was no mention of the 2nd GG getting involved. I can only guess that the GG who did the shooting had either better situational awareness or better reaction time than his buddy.

[Rex B]

Perhaps the 2nd GG who did not fire was waiting in a chair, whereas the man who fired had the advantage of the barber's sheet covering his hands and arms.
He was able to access his weapon and raise it before the BG could see what he was doing.

[Excaliber]

I'm glad that this turned out as well as it did. While trying to understand what happened, based on this report, it had the potential to go several different ways.

1. The BG had already discharged his gun into the floor so unless he was out of ammo or had a gun malfunction afterwards, he had a "hot" weapon in his hands. He could just as easily raised it and shot back torward the GG or the kids or both while the "clip" was being emptied in his direction.

2. I've read that BGs are often cowards and the 2nd BG taking off when the GG opened fire in this reinforced that that point. The thing that I'm most worried about if I faced a similar situation is getting tunnel vision and focusing only on the BG in front of me while the 2nd BG opens fire on me. Training to "share" my magazine among multiple BGs seems to be one of the more difficult scenarios handle. I would love to hear from the GG if he even recognized that the 2nd BG was in full retreat while he was handling the first BG.

3. The report said that there were two armed customers. There was no mention of the 2nd GG getting involved. I can only guess that the GG who did the shooting had either better situational awareness or better reaction time than his buddy.

1. True. This is always a very high risk situation with lots of variables where the outcome can never be predicted before it is over.

2. Sometimes yes and sometimes no. Either response should be anticipated. One logical tactic is to place 1 round on BG 1, 2 rounds on BG 2, and 2 more on BG1. Repeat until the threat is ended.

Extend the sequence for additional BG's with 1 round each until engaging the last, then continue the exercise in reverse. Repeat as necessary.

If you want to really make it exciting, picture doing this with a .380 Kel Tech or a snubby .38 as your EDC.

3. If I understand the article correctly, the BG's had focused their attention on the customer who took action. He had to make an instant decision, while the other customer had additional time to consider his options. The first customer solved the problem before the second one had to act.

[jmra]

I'm glad that this turned out as well as it did. While trying to understand what happened, based on this report, it had the potential to go several different ways.

1. The BG had already discharged his gun into the floor so unless he was out of ammo or had a gun malfunction afterwards, he had a "hot" weapon in his hands. He could just as easily raised it and shot back torward the GG or the kids or both while the "clip" was being emptied in his direction.
2. I've read that BGs are often cowards and the 2nd BG taking off when the GG opened fire in this reinforced that that point. The thing that I'm most worried about if I faced a similar situation is getting tunnel vision and focusing only on the BG in front of me while the 2nd BG opens fire on me. Training to "share" my magazine among multiple BGs seems to be one of the more difficult scenarios handle. I would love to hear from the GG if he even recognized that the 2nd BG was in full retreat while he was handling the first BG.
3. The report said that there were two armed customers. There was no mention of the 2nd GG getting involved. I can only guess that the GG who did the shooting had either better situational awareness or better reaction time than his buddy.

I agree that this thing could have gone many different directions but once the bg discharged his weapon, IMHO, the whole situation changes. By discharging his weapon the bg showed his hand in several ways;
1. No doubt the gun is real
2. No doubt he gun is loaded
3. The bg will not hesitate to shoot some one
4. The likelyhood that he would shoot some one increased dramatically

At this point if you have a firearm and a clear line of fire (and what appears to be the element of surprise) and you choose not to use your weapon, why do you even carry to began with. I can't think of a situation in which your life could be in more danger.
My assumption would be the second gg did not have a clear line of fire at the bg and was waiting for an opportunity.

[Excaliber]

I'm glad that this turned out as well as it did. While trying to understand what happened, based on this report, it had the potential to go several different ways.

1. The BG had already discharged his gun into the floor so unless he was out of ammo or had a gun malfunction afterwards, he had a "hot" weapon in his hands. He could just as easily raised it and shot back torward the GG or the kids or both while the "clip" was being emptied in his direction.
2. I've read that BGs are often cowards and the 2nd BG taking off when the GG opened fire in this reinforced that that point. The thing that I'm most worried about if I faced a similar situation is getting tunnel vision and focusing only on the BG in front of me while the 2nd BG opens fire on me. Training to "share" my magazine among multiple BGs seems to be one of the more difficult scenarios handle. I would love to hear from the GG if he even recognized that the 2nd BG was in full retreat while he was handling the first BG.
3. The report said that there were two armed customers. There was no mention of the 2nd GG getting involved. I can only guess that the GG who did the shooting had either better situational awareness or better reaction time than his buddy.

I agree that this thing could have gone many different directions but once the bg discharged his weapon, IMHO, the whole situation changes. By discharging his weapon the bg showed his hand in several ways;
1. No doubt the gun is real
2. No doubt he gun is loaded
3. The bg will not hesitate to shoot some one
4. The likelyhood that he would shoot some one increased dramatically

At this point if you have a firearm and a clear line of fire (and what appears to be the element of surprise) and you choose not to use your weapon, why do you even carry to began with. I can't think of a situation in which your life could be in more danger.
My assumption would be the second gg did not have a clear line of fire at the bg and was waiting for an opportunity.

Or he was paralyzed by fear and indecision because he hadn't trained or mentally prepared himself for a real life or death confrontation.

He may also have been carrying one of those oh-so-convenient mouseguns and was having a hard time figuring out how or if he could win a 1 on 2 gunfight with it. That's not an easy task.

[WickedOwl]

I just hope the GG was able to finish his haircut.
Good grooming is not to be neglected for a moment's excitement

How it went down:



"Now where were we?"

[jmra]

I just hope the GG was able to finish his haircut.
Good grooming is not to be neglected for a moment's excitement

How it went down:



"Now where were we?"

If I was the owner of the establishment, the GG would never pay for another haircut.

[surprise_i'm_armed]

The video part of the news story states that the GG emptied a magazine of .40's
into the BG. Even a low capacity single stacker would have <6 + 1?, 7 + 1?> rounds in it.
If it was a double stacker, he could have had <15 +1?> rounds on tap. Ouch!

Boy, at least half a dozen rounds of .40 into the BG. You know that left some marks.

SIA