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Re: Military Police

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That is no longer the policy.. you must now have the weapon registered PRIOR to coming to the gate. You MUST have the weapon unloaded, locked up out of your reach, you MUST declarer that you have a weapon in the vehicle, and you MUST state what your authorized purpose for entering the instillation with a weapon is.
Understand, that by the time you are at the gate, if you fail any of the requirements, you are in violation and subject to the full gambit of bad stuff happening.
i8godzilla wrote:
surprise_i'm_armed wrote:If you locked your gun and all ammo in the trunk, while on a federal facility, I'm assuming
that this would still not be good enough to avoid arrest. Comments?

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Each installation has separate rules concerning weapons being brought on post/base. As general rule of thumb you cannot normally have a weapon at a military installation. I know that recently at Ft. Hood you could inform the (civilian) security force at the gate that you have a locked up and unloaded firearm if you are only going from one gate to the Gatesville gate or vice-versa--cutting through. This only pertained to those that had installation decals. Do not know if that policy is still in place. When I was a member of the Sportsman Club, you had to go to the Provost Marshal's Office with the S/N, make, and model of each weapon to get a document to bring it back to the PMO for inspection. Once this was complete they issued you another document that allowed you to take the weapon directly to the Sportsman Club and directly off post. Do not pass Go, do not collect $200. You still had to declare and most times have the weapon inspected at the gate. Again, you could only go directly to the Sportsman Club and then directly off post. Some days it seemed like I spent more time unloading, locking up, getting inspected, and doing the reverse to leave, than I did shooting. I no longer go to the Sportsman Club.

When I pick my grandkids up, their mother meets me at the gate so I do not have to disarm. Since the terrorist attack at Ft. Hood I refuse to be unarmed if at all possible.
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Re: Military Police

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As someone who goes on bases fairly regularly, I can tell you not to show your CHL unless you want to have a suddenly bad day. There is no law requiring you to show the CHL, and you cannot carry on the base without an authorization that you are likely not to be given these days. You should not even have a firearm locked in the trunk.
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bronco78 wrote:
RottenApple wrote:
The Annoyed Man wrote:How did you legally get onto the base with your CHL? I thought most military bases are off-limits to CHL.
I'm pretty sure you can have a CHL and be on a military base. You just can't actually carry.
No sir, ,not correct, Fast way to see cuffs on you and a long day ahead
May I point out that you are incorrect? A CHL is a Concealed Handgun License. There is no law or regulation about having a license on base, so long as you don't also have a firearm.

That was the point. :tiphat:
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bronco78 wrote:That is no longer the policy.. you must now have the weapon registered PRIOR to coming to the gate. You MUST have the weapon unloaded, locked up out of your reach, you MUST declarer that you have a weapon in the vehicle, and you MUST state what your authorized purpose for entering the instillation with a weapon is.
Understand, that by the time you are at the gate, if you fail any of the requirements, you are in violation and subject to the full gambit of bad stuff happening.

Which part is no longer policy? I believe that I addressed two separate items.
1. "Cutting through" post and entering or exiting the Gatesville Gate
2. Getting authorization to take your weapon to the Sportsman Club

i8godzilla wrote:
surprise_i'm_armed wrote:If you locked your gun and all ammo in the trunk, while on a federal facility, I'm assuming
that this would still not be good enough to avoid arrest. Comments?

SIA
Each installation has separate rules concerning weapons being brought on post/base. As general rule of thumb you cannot normally have a weapon at a military installation. I know that recently at Ft. Hood you could inform the (civilian) security force at the gate that you have a locked up and unloaded firearm if you are only going from one gate to the Gatesville gate or vice-versa--cutting through. This only pertained to those that had installation decals. Do not know if that policy is still in place. When I was a member of the Sportsman Club, you had to go to the Provost Marshal's Office with the S/N, make, and model of each weapon to get a document to bring it back to the PMO for inspection. Once this was complete they issued you another document that allowed you to take the weapon directly to the Sportsman Club and directly off post. Do not pass Go, do not collect $200. You still had to declare and most times have the weapon inspected at the gate. Again, you could only go directly to the Sportsman Club and then directly off post. Some days it seemed like I spent more time unloading, locking up, getting inspected, and doing the reverse to leave, than I did shooting. I no longer go to the Sportsman Club.

When I pick my grandkids up, their mother meets me at the gate so I do not have to disarm. Since the terrorist attack at Ft. Hood I refuse to be unarmed if at all possible.
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bronco78 wrote:
RottenApple wrote:
The Annoyed Man wrote:How did you legally get onto the base with your CHL? I thought most military bases are off-limits to CHL.
I'm pretty sure you can have a CHL and be on a military base. You just can't actually carry.
No sir, ,not correct, Fast way to see cuffs on you and a long day ahead
Please re-read RottenApple's response.
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i8godzilla wrote:
surprise_i'm_armed wrote:If you locked your gun and all ammo in the trunk, while on a federal facility, I'm assuming
that this would still not be good enough to avoid arrest. Comments?

SIA
Each installation has separate rules concerning weapons being brought on post/base. As general rule of thumb you cannot normally have a weapon at a military installation. I know that recently at Ft. Hood you could inform the (civilian) security force at the gate that you have a locked up and unloaded firearm if you are only going from one gate to the Gatesville gate or vice-versa--cutting through. This only pertained to those that had installation decals. Do not know if that policy is still in place. When I was a member of the Sportsman Club, you had to go to the Provost Marshal's Office with the S/N, make, and model of each weapon to get a document to bring it back to the PMO for inspection. Once this was complete they issued you another document that allowed you to take the weapon directly to the Sportsman Club and directly off post. Do not pass Go, do not collect $200. You still had to declare and most times have the weapon inspected at the gate. Again, you could only go directly to the Sportsman Club and then directly off post. Some days it seemed like I spent more time unloading, locking up, getting inspected, and doing the reverse to leave, than I did shooting. I no longer go to the Sportsman Club.

When I pick my grandkids up, their mother meets me at the gate so I do not have to disarm. Since the terrorist attack at Ft. Hood I refuse to be unarmed if at all possible.
+1 to you Sir. Installations could, at one time, have less restrictive policies. Fort Hood prior to November 9, 2009, had very liberal policies for about two years. Now we have returned to full registration, transport only with permission and etc. Also, now with the new AR 190-11 the installations must meet those minimum standards which are: You cannot at any time carry a privately owned weapon, except those folding knives with blades shorter than 3 inches, unless authorized by the Senior Commander. And, only for those activites such as hunting, dog training activities, or marksmanship events. All firearms will be registered prior to bringing on post, registration must remain with the vehicle and in view while transporting, can only transport in the trunk of the vehicle or in another area that is not accessible to the driver or passengers. Can only transport in a direct route to and from. Commercially available trigger locks and other security devices are also recommended. (This will mean the Senior Commander will do more than recommend). Registration is not difficult, go to the VCC with the S/N, make/model of the weapon, don't bring the weapon, fill out the FH Form 190-19, give it back and the weapon is registered. Really just returned to the days before 2007, except that there is not really any grace period and if you are a soldier, commanders have to insure the weapons are stored safely in your on-post quarters. If someone would like an indepth PM me and I can give you a POC that can assist you concerning gate entry, hunting requirements and etc.
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i8godzilla wrote:
bronco78 wrote:That is no longer the policy.. you must now have the weapon registered PRIOR to coming to the gate. You MUST have the weapon unloaded, locked up out of your reach, you MUST declarer that you have a weapon in the vehicle, and you MUST state what your authorized purpose for entering the instillation with a weapon is.
Understand, that by the time you are at the gate, if you fail any of the requirements, you are in violation and subject to the full gambit of bad stuff happening.

Which part is no longer policy? I believe that I addressed two separate items.
1. "Cutting through" post and entering or exiting the Gatesville Gate
2. Getting authorization to take your weapon to the Sportsman Club

i8godzilla wrote:
surprise_i'm_armed wrote:If you locked your gun and all ammo in the trunk, while on a federal facility, I'm assuming
that this would still not be good enough to avoid arrest. Comments?

SIA
Each installation has separate rules concerning weapons being brought on post/base. As general rule of thumb you cannot normally have a weapon at a military installation. I know that recently at Ft. Hood you could inform the (civilian) security force at the gate that you have a locked up and unloaded firearm if you are only going from one gate to the Gatesville gate or vice-versa--cutting through. This only pertained to those that had installation decals. Do not know if that policy is still in place. When I was a member of the Sportsman Club, you had to go to the Provost Marshal's Office with the S/N, make, and model of each weapon to get a document to bring it back to the PMO for inspection. Once this was complete they issued you another document that allowed you to take the weapon directly to the Sportsman Club and directly off post. Do not pass Go, do not collect $200. You still had to declare and most times have the weapon inspected at the gate. Again, you could only go directly to the Sportsman Club and then directly off post. Some days it seemed like I spent more time unloading, locking up, getting inspected, and doing the reverse to leave, than I did shooting. I no longer go to the Sportsman Club.

When I pick my grandkids up, their mother meets me at the gate so I do not have to disarm. Since the terrorist attack at Ft. Hood I refuse to be unarmed if at all possible.
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bronco78 wrote:
RottenApple wrote:
The Annoyed Man wrote:How did you legally get onto the base with your CHL? I thought most military bases are off-limits to CHL.
I'm pretty sure you can have a CHL and be on a military base. You just can't actually carry.
No sir, ,not correct, Fast way to see cuffs on you and a long day ahead
Please re-read RottenApple's response.
If you enter through a gate, you cannot carry period, unless you meet the requirements I mentioned before. Fort Hood is a large installation there is several areas, where gates (ACPs) are not entered. Kind of grey for those areas, especially with the rewrite of AR 190-11. Don't stop or speed. FH Regulation 190-11 states: This regulation applies to all military personnel, government employees, and all civilians, including Family Members, who store, possess, or use a weapon on Fort Hood. The only exceptions are those specifically set forth in this regulation such as: Persons traveling on or through Fort Hood who do not enter an access control point (ACP) (traveling on Maxdale Road, Shell Mountain Road, etc.) and do not stop to conduct any activity within installation boundaries. The New AR 190-11 states that the carrying of privately owned weapons on Army installations is prohibited unless authorized by the Senior Commander. I explained earlier what the SC will authorize for.
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Re: Military Police

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bronco78 wrote:
RottenApple wrote:
The Annoyed Man wrote:How did you legally get onto the base with your CHL? I thought most military bases are off-limits to CHL.
I'm pretty sure you can have a CHL and be on a military base. You just can't actually carry.
No sir, ,not correct, Fast way to see cuffs on you and a long day ahead

So you are stating that merely having a Concealed Handgun License (NOT a gun, just the license) is grounds to be arrested and thrown in the jug for the day on a military base? Sorry, don't believe it.
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C-dub wrote:
ELB wrote:Texas CHL law only requires you to display your CHL to a TEXAS PEACE OFFICER or a MAGISTRATE and then only if he asks for ID. Federal and military law enforcement are not Texas peace officers or magistrates to the best of my knowledge...
Hmmm. So, the FBI, ATF, DEA, and others do not qualify as those we must show our CHL license to if asked for ID? Interesting.

That's what it says to me.
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ELB wrote:
C-dub wrote:
ELB wrote:Texas CHL law only requires you to display your CHL to a TEXAS PEACE OFFICER or a MAGISTRATE and then only if he asks for ID. Federal and military law enforcement are not Texas peace officers or magistrates to the best of my knowledge...
Hmmm. So, the FBI, ATF, DEA, and others do not qualify as those we must show our CHL license to if asked for ID? Interesting.

That's what it says to me.
Kinda makes sense, I guess. If I were somehow asked for ID by one of these folks and they "ran" it, would they then know I have a CHL? Do they have the same level of access that our local and state police have to these records?
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bronco78 wrote:
RottenApple wrote:
The Annoyed Man wrote:How did you legally get onto the base with your CHL? I thought most military bases are off-limits to CHL.
I'm pretty sure you can have a CHL and be on a military base. You just can't actually carry.
No sir, ,not correct, Fast way to see cuffs on you and a long day ahead
So you are saying that you can be arrested on a military base because you have a LICENSE? Don't think so.
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RottenApple might be implying that you could be cuffed while they searched your vehicle to determined you were not carrying and then let you go as long as you were not.
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C-dub wrote:RottenApple might be implying that you could be cuffed while they searched your vehicle to determined you were not carrying and then let you go as long as you were not.
RottenApple was stating that having a Concealed Handgun License is not illegal in any way, shape, or form. Nor are you required to display it to an MP/SP. If, however, you actually have a firearm in the vehicle or on your person, then you have broken the law.
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Oh well. I tried. The OP did ask about being unarmed and just showing the license.
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This group without a doubt is most proficient at taking things out of context, making an argument from an observation and has an extraordinary outstanding ability to read things between the lines that do not exist.
http://www.hood.army.mil/leaders/polici ... /CG-02.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
There is the policy letter in question.
Interpret it how you want. :patriot:

YES, CHL = Concealed Hand Gun License, no having that card in your possession is not against federal regulation or local policy.
YES displaying it at a traffic stop will get you a free search in most cases, as is the right of the LEO’s. They need no 4th amendment justifiable reason on post. Your entry = consent to search, at any time, for any reason.
There are a few here reporting facts as they are and making observations from current first hand prospective.. and there are the rest.
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RottenApple wrote:
C-dub wrote:RottenApple might be implying that you could be cuffed while they searched your vehicle to determined you were not carrying and then let you go as long as you were not.
RottenApple was stating that having a Concealed Handgun License is not illegal in any way, shape, or form. Nor are you required to display it to an MP/SP. If, however, you actually have a firearm in the vehicle or on your person, then you have broken the law.
Succinct and accurate :thumbs2:
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