She meant well but her actions were unwise

[Purplehood]

...you gotta get up early, but it CAN be done...he don't wear no cape...nor pointed booties...

I wear them during my off-hours, but still don't get any recognition.

[USA1]

nor pointed booties...

That's not what I heard.


Sorry Keith...just kidding.


Too bad everyone within earshot didn't bum-rush those guys as soon as they hit the door.
I hate when people just stand by and let the crooks do whatever they want.

I know, I know...don't put yourself in danger and all that.

Gotta give the lady props for tryin though. Her heart was in the right place.

[M2K]

"Police later found the men, who now face charges of evading arrest and aggravated robbery."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/06/22/te ... z1Q6keA4X9" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[tallmike]

I don't agree with getting on top of the vehicle, or even getting in its way, but calling out the crooks loudly and drawing attention to them is something I think we should all do. Let them know that the citizens around them do not approve of what they are doing and we will make it more difficult for them to continue to act in such a manner.

Like the old saying goes, the only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

[speedsix]

This woman did the right thing for the right reasons. Her methods may be questioned but not her stance on the issue. The real question is why did none of the other nearby people jump in to help? Did she not yell thief? Or if she did, did the other shoppers just ignore the situation as most “worried about my own self preservation” people would.

Secondly, it’s not what was stolen but the fact a robbery occurred. To some people beer is dog gone important especially if it is MGD. In some households it is the main meal to be consumed with great gusto.

There was no robbery, just theft (shoplifting.) There was no threat of injury or to life, and since it was only theft in the daytime, she would not have been able to use a CHL to stop it. And, I don't care how important beer or any other minor property is (televisions, stereos, food, etc.) she put herself in danger when she tried to intervene as she did. Yelling, following to ge descriptions of them and vehicle, etc. would have been fine, but dancing on their car was way overboard.

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You are possibly correct in stating that it was theft rather than robbery in the legal sense because the act of robbery is taking or attempting to take something of value by force or intimidation. I don’t know if someone was in fear.

I totally disagree with the rest of your position.

...no, he was absolutely correct...it WAS theft rather than robbery by law...you only quoted PART of what the act of robbery is...when you read the REST of the definition, then you have the explanation for why the charges were upgraded to aggravated robbery...which it WASN'T before she got stupid and climbed their car...the rest of the definition is part of the definition...and can't be ignored, if you want to understand what happened and why a theft turned into a robbery...after she intervened...

[speedsix]

...you gotta get up early, but it CAN be done...he don't wear no cape...nor pointed booties...

I wear them during my off-hours, but still don't get any recognition.

...uh, might we soon see a new atavar, I mean avatar...I mean attaboy...PICTURE for you...???

[M2K]

...no, he was absolutely correct...it WAS theft rather than robbery by law...you only quoted PART of what the act of robbery is...when you read the REST of the definition, then you have the explanation for why the charges were upgraded to aggravated robbery...which it WASN'T before she got stupid and climbed their car...the rest of the definition is part of the definition...and can't be ignored, if you want to understand what happened and why a theft turned into a robbery...after she intervened...

It doesn’t really matter as their actions are taken as a whole. Plus, it is now a felony charge instead of just petty theft. Yippee!

Opinions may vary on what actions should have been taken by any person in any situation. A crime was apparently committed and only 1 honorable person took some type of action in this situation. There may have been more people willing to help but they may not have understood the situation. Without some type of verbal acknowledgment of rape, thieves, etc., one could easily assume it is a domestic dispute where the lady is taking it out on the husbands/friends car.

From the thieves’ calm demeanor and actions, I would not be surprised if they had not done this deed before and went unchallenged.

[speedsix]

...no, he was absolutely correct...it WAS theft rather than robbery by law...you only quoted PART of what the act of robbery is...when you read the REST of the definition, then you have the explanation for why the charges were upgraded to aggravated robbery...which it WASN'T before she got stupid and climbed their car...the rest of the definition is part of the definition...and can't be ignored, if you want to understand what happened and why a theft turned into a robbery...after she intervened...

It doesn’t really matter as their actions are taken as a whole. Plus, it is now a felony charge instead of just petty theft. Yippee!

Opinions may vary on what actions should have been taken by any person in any situation. A crime was apparently committed and only 1 honorable person took some type of action in this situation. There may have been more people willing to help but they may not have understood the situation. Without some type of verbal acknowledgment of rape, thieves, etc., one could easily assume it is a domestic dispute where the lady is taking it out on the husbands/friends car.

From the thieves’ calm demeanor and actions, I would not be surprised if they had not done this deed before and went unchallenged.

...it DOES really matter that at the time, it was only a theft...then when she lost all her good sense, it escalated to a felony...where the yippee is in that...will be your little secret...she made the situation worse, not better, by being stupid...they played along with her and got in much more trouble than the theft charge they were facing...as to their prior history and accomplishments, we can only guess...

[Excaliber]

...no, he was absolutely correct...it WAS theft rather than robbery by law...you only quoted PART of what the act of robbery is...when you read the REST of the definition, then you have the explanation for why the charges were upgraded to aggravated robbery...which it WASN'T before she got stupid and climbed their car...the rest of the definition is part of the definition...and can't be ignored, if you want to understand what happened and why a theft turned into a robbery...after she intervened...

It doesn’t really matter as their actions are taken as a whole. Plus, it is now a felony charge instead of just petty theft. Yippee!

Opinions may vary on what actions should have been taken by any person in any situation. A crime was apparently committed and only 1 honorable person took some type of action in this situation. There may have been more people willing to help but they may not have understood the situation. Without some type of verbal acknowledgment of rape, thieves, etc., one could easily assume it is a domestic dispute where the lady is taking it out on the husbands/friends car.

From the thieves’ calm demeanor and actions, I would not be surprised if they had not done this deed before and went unchallenged.

...it DOES really matter that at the time, it was only a theft...then when she lost all her good sense, it escalated to a felony...where the yippee is in that...will be your little secret...she made the situation worse, not better, by being stupid...they played along with her and got in much more trouble than the theft charge they were facing...as to their prior history and accomplishments, we can only guess...

It appears to me that the enraged citizen acted with the best of intentions but very poor judgment and tactics, and the BG's followed her example with their subsequent ill advised actions. The result was the escalation of a shoplifting to a robbery by the boneheaded actions of 3 people.

The upshot is that a couple of knuckleheads are facing a much more serious charge than they would have otherwise, and the lady with the Batman complex came away unscathed.

This appears to be one of those rare cases where two major failures in judgment that compound each other yields a good result.

I wouldn't recommend adopting the tactics she used. Luck that good is a rarity.

However, this lady has a good heart and a selfless willingness to act, neither of which is especially common these days. With a little training, she could be both much safer and much more effective. There's lots of good raw material to work with there.

[Keith B]

The result was the escalation of a shoplifting to a robbery by the boneheaded actions of 3 people.

This reminds me of a call I took as a LEO for a shoplifter at Walmart. This was back in the days when they had store security people in plain clothes.

The two security managers observed a person taking some items that were not high value, but maybe $30 - $40 worth. They followed the guy out of the store and he took off running to a wooded area. They chased him and he stopped and they were able to convince him to come back to the store.

When I got there, they advised when they caught up to him he had turned around and pulled a knife on them. Never tried to use it, but he threatened them.

So, I went back in, searched him and cuffed him. When he asked why he was being cuffed for minor shoplifting, I advised him he was being cuffed for aggravated assault because he had pulled knife. His stupidity escalated the crime from a misdemeanor to a felony.

[speedsix]

...and a good day was had by ALMOST all...

[boba]

...it DOES really matter that at the time, it was only a theft...then when she lost all her good sense, it escalated to a felony...where the yippee is in that...will be your little secret...she made the situation worse, not better, by being stupid...

itsinterestingtoreadthedifferencesinreactionsbetweenthistheftandanothertheftatwalmartdiscussedontheseboards
viewtopic.php?f=26&t=43546&hilit=purse+snatch" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Keith B]

...it DOES really matter that at the time, it was only a theft...then when she lost all her good sense, it escalated to a felony...where the yippee is in that...will be your little secret...she made the situation worse, not better, by being stupid...

itsinterestingtoreadthedifferencesinreactionsbetweenthistheftandanothertheftatwalmartdiscussedontheseboards
viewtopic.php?f=26&t=43546&hilit=purse+snatch" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

First off, please use spaces.

Secondly, there is a big difference. The other thread is robbery as the purse is taken from a person and this is from a business. technically theft is theft, but shoplifting 3 cases of beer is different than purse snatching and taking someone's personal ID, credit cards, car keys, etc. etc. IMO.

[Excaliber]

...it DOES really matter that at the time, it was only a theft...then when she lost all her good sense, it escalated to a felony...where the yippee is in that...will be your little secret...she made the situation worse, not better, by being stupid...

itsinterestingtoreadthedifferencesinreactionsbetweenthistheftandanothertheftatwalmartdiscussedontheseboards
viewtopic.php?f=26&t=43546&hilit=purse+snatch" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

He's off to a memorable start.

[chasfm11]

The result was the escalation of a shoplifting to a robbery by the boneheaded actions of 3 people.

This reminds me of a call I took as a LEO for a shoplifter at Walmart. This was back in the days when they had store security people in plain clothes.

The two security managers observed a person taking some items that were not high value, but maybe $30 - $40 worth. They followed the guy out of the store and he took off running to a wooded area. They chased him and he stopped and they were able to convince him to come back to the store.

When I got there, they advised when they caught up to him he had turned around and pulled a knife on them. Never tried to use it, but he threatened them.

So, I went back in, searched him and cuffed him. When he asked why he was being cuffed for minor shoplifting, I advised him he was being cuffed for aggravated assault because he had pulled knife. His stupidity escalated the crime from a misdemeanor to a felony.

Another candidate from the low end of the gene pool. I wonder what he thought was going to happen after he pulled a knife? Maybe he was reading too many 9th Circuit decisions.