Subtle Harassment tonight?

[tacticool]

Knowing that a question had arisen about the return of CHL, did the LEO search? How long? How long do you think he should search? He did say that he would mail the license back if found.

If a valet can't find your car, how long do you think they should search? If they can't find it, who do you think should pay to replace your car?

[Jumping Frog]

...it's always been customary to "give" about 5-10 MPH...but the officer can write a ticket for 66 in a 65 if he chooses...

Yeah, they can write for 66, but those are also pretty easy to get tossed out in court. I've also known of judges that have said they don't want them wasting the court's time by bringing any speeding cases to court that are less than 5 over.

I used to get speeding tickets when I was younger -- usually at least 15-20 over. My last ticket, I had two simultaneous realizations. First, I had gotten two tickets in a row via instant laser and realized my radar detector was a false sense of security. Second, during the stop, the cop explained to me that if I set my cruise control on 5 over, I'd "never get stopped". Since then, I've never been stopped. Of course, I am also home in bed at O-dark-thirty instead of on the road. I fully understand how any legitimate reason for the initial stop can and is used as leverage to ask questions and find more serious crimes.

[speedsix]

...I'll bet if you had 100 people read the OP, 95 of them wouldn't believe the CHL was legitimately lost...too many things don't add up...anything CAN be lost...

[WildBill]

...I'll bet if you had 100 people read the OP, 95 of them wouldn't believe the CHL was legitimately lost...too many things don't add up...anything CAN be lost...

Regardless, the OP doesn't have much recourse other than to buy a replacement CHL.

[The Annoyed Man]

Knowing that a question had arisen about the return of CHL, did the LEO search? How long? How long do you think he should search? He did say that he would mail the license back if found.

If a valet can't find your car, how long do you think they should search? If they can't find it, who do you think should pay to replace your car?

Your valet parking ticket has a disclaimer on it. Either you or your insurance company will be paying for that new car.

[sugar land dave]

...the officer did not say he'd mail it back to him...it shouldn't take any longer to find it, than to lose it, given the officer's stated "routine" of "always..."
...yep, sometimes old ex and retired cops disagree...with young and old ones...regardless of which century you were a cop in, cops will argue and disagree...that's life...where in this thread does anyone brand this LEO as a "bad cop?" being extremely critical of a man's behavior in one scenario deals with that scenario...not his whole life...don't blow it out of proportion ...and respect due is usually predicated on behavior...the OP gave respect at first, but didn't, according to the account, get much back...I've known and worked with enough officers for enough years to "see" the situation as described as not a good one...but nobody's bashing the cops or calling this a bad one...rather, we're saying that he behaved poorly in this account...and that reflects badly on his peers...and they have to live it down...
...one of my most-used expressions on the street was: "Now I'm NOT the last cop that you dealt with...back up and start this over!"...more often than not, it worked....
...of course a cop's going to ask about alcohol and drugs...no problem...but he kept trying to find a problem...without a reason...how many times does he need to be told that the man's not drinking, not smoking pot...not a word said about his reason for persisting in that line of questions...
...I don't know of an occupation where there is so much criticism...comes with the territory...the attitude and behavior of one becomes part of the "image" of what a "cop" is to the person who's experienced it...any man who wears a badge had better be able to take criticism...from others who do and those who don't...it's as sure as sunrise...
...let this scenario be replayed in a retail store, for instance, and there would be noone standing up for the clerk's either carelessness, or lack of concern, or both...

...edited 'cause I got interrupted by folks coming in...

Thank you for making your reasoning more clear to me. Though I usually find myself agreeing with you, I guess this is one thread where I just won't be able to see eye to eye with you. I do thank you for the response.

[sugar land dave]

...About a week later I got a call from the rental car company saying that they had found the GPS case while cleaning the car.

My point is that the GPS case is much bigger than a CHL and can be easily lost in a vehicle.

WB, are you agreeing with one of my points? I may have to go celebrate with a nice cool tall glass of milk.

[speedsix]

How, you ask, can I avoid an LEO loosing my CHL?

Tape it to your drivers license. Set both on a table about half inch apart, and run one strip of tape between the two so you can fold it back on each other. Face them so that you can fold the CHL behind the DL and then place it in a clear plastic sleeve so that if you are ever carded, the DL is facing forward, and conceals the CHL. Added bonus of when an LEO asks you for the DL you can't forget to give your CHL to him/her, and then the LEO can't drop it between the car seats or into the console without dropping the DL.

...great idea, except officers are trained to have you take your license out of whatever it's in, so that they can read it better, and so that noone can suggest that there was anything else in there that may come up missing...like money...very seldom will an officer accept an ID in any kind of case...

[Texas Dan Mosby]

Is this post for real?

[speedsix]

...the officer did not say he'd mail it back to him...it shouldn't take any longer to find it, than to lose it, given the officer's stated "routine" of "always..."
...yep, sometimes old ex and retired cops disagree...with young and old ones...regardless of which century you were a cop in, cops will argue and disagree...that's life...where in this thread does anyone brand this LEO as a "bad cop?" being extremely critical of a man's behavior in one scenario deals with that scenario...not his whole life...don't blow it out of proportion ...and respect due is usually predicated on behavior...the OP gave respect at first, but didn't, according to the account, get much back...I've known and worked with enough officers for enough years to "see" the situation as described as not a good one...but nobody's bashing the cops or calling this a bad one...rather, we're saying that he behaved poorly in this account...and that reflects badly on his peers...and they have to live it down...
...one of my most-used expressions on the street was: "Now I'm NOT the last cop that you dealt with...back up and start this over!"...more often than not, it worked....
...of course a cop's going to ask about alcohol and drugs...no problem...but he kept trying to find a problem...without a reason...how many times does he need to be told that the man's not drinking, not smoking pot...not a word said about his reason for persisting in that line of questions...
...I don't know of an occupation where there is so much criticism...comes with the territory...the attitude and behavior of one becomes part of the "image" of what a "cop" is to the person who's experienced it...any man who wears a badge had better be able to take criticism...from others who do and those who don't...it's as sure as sunrise...
...let this scenario be replayed in a retail store, for instance, and there would be noone standing up for the clerk's either carelessness, or lack of concern, or both...

...edited 'cause I got interrupted by folks coming in...

Thank you for making your reasoning more clear to me. Though I usually find myself agreeing with you, I guess this is one thread where I just won't be able to see eye to eye with you. I do thank you for the response.

...my goal isn't to get folks to agree with me, but to state clearly my opinion...I've earned the right to it, and gained considerable insight on both sides of the badge...there's a lot more to be considered than most citizens ever know...having walked a few miles in their shoes, and having been a training officer, my viewpoints often don't get agreement...my motivation is the end result, whether the path is pleasant or not...

[BrianSW99]

How, you ask, can I avoid an LEO loosing my CHL?

Tape it to your drivers license. Set both on a table about half inch apart, and run one strip of tape between the two so you can fold it back on each other. Face them so that you can fold the CHL behind the DL and then place it in a clear plastic sleeve so that if you are ever carded, the DL is facing forward, and conceals the CHL. Added bonus of when an LEO asks you for the DL you can't forget to give your CHL to him/her, and then the LEO can't drop it between the car seats or into the console without dropping the DL.

...great idea, except officers are trained to have you take your license out of whatever it's in, so that they can read it better, and so that noone can suggest that there was anything else in there that may come up missing...like money...very seldom will an officer accept an ID in any kind of case...

I think that was the point..they would be taped together when you remove them from the wallet or plastic sleeve. Don't some agencies swipe the magnetic strip on the license though? Seems like taping the two together would interfere with that, but I'm not sure how widespread the use of the mag stripe is.

Brian

[speedsix]

...I'll bet if you had 100 people read the OP, 95 of them wouldn't believe the CHL was legitimately lost...too many things don't add up...anything CAN be lost...

Regardless, the OP doesn't have much recourse other than to buy a replacement CHL.

...AFTER the battle and complaint to HQ, you may be right...I'd clearly state the reason for loss and forward it to DPS personnel, and the CHL division...might be less likely to lose another one that way...it doesn't need to be a trend...considering the hoops jumped through to obtain it, and the flawless way he followed the law when stopped, he has a right to be more than a little angry that his rights were so trampled on...it's not like it was a business card...I just hope there doesn't arise a need before he gets it replaced where he's not carrying.........

[speedsix]

How, you ask, can I avoid an LEO loosing my CHL?

Tape it to your drivers license. Set both on a table about half inch apart, and run one strip of tape between the two so you can fold it back on each other. Face them so that you can fold the CHL behind the DL and then place it in a clear plastic sleeve so that if you are ever carded, the DL is facing forward, and conceals the CHL. Added bonus of when an LEO asks you for the DL you can't forget to give your CHL to him/her, and then the LEO can't drop it between the car seats or into the console without dropping the DL.

...great idea, except officers are trained to have you take your license out of whatever it's in, so that they can read it better, and so that noone can suggest that there was anything else in there that may come up missing...like money...very seldom will an officer accept an ID in any kind of case...

I think that was the point..they would be taped together when you remove them from the wallet or plastic sleeve. Don't some agencies swipe the magnetic strip on the license though? Seems like taping the two together would interfere with that, but I'm not sure how widespread the use of the mag stripe is.


...gotcha...I don't know about the scanner/mag stripe idea...I've never heard of an officer "losing" insurance papers, or a Driver's License...but today makes three accounts I've read of the CHL "disappearing" during a stop....maybe taping them together would help them be more visible...I'd be likely to ask him to give my CHL right back after looking at it, after these incidents...he doesn't need it to check me out or write a ticket...politely, of course...

[speedsix]

Is this post for real?

...kinda like the old folks used to say about puppy love...it's real to the puppy...if it'd happened to me, I'd be real sore, too...

[sugar land dave]

Is this post for real?

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