FL: Man "asks for it," gets it

[seamusTX]

Um, I hate to be nerd, but has anyone heard of blood pressure?

- Jim

[karl]

The pressure along the walls of your veins and arteries (courtesy of your heart) is minuscule in comparison to the stresses a can of soda can endure. And soda cans are not under considerable pressure.

[seamusTX]

What is it with Florida?

In the Miami area last week, a 21-year-old man who had reportedly drunk "about 10 beers" dared his girlfriend to shoot him with a pellet gun. The girlfriend shot him in the chest. The pellet penetrated his heart and lodged in his back.

According to physicians, the man survived only because an unusual heart anatomy allowed the blood supply to the man's heart to be maintained.

The victim is recuperating after emergency surgery. No charges have been filed.

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No word on whether the couple are still "together."

- Jim

[Dave2]

Soda cans are in no way comparable to a human body.

Each is an elastic container filled with incompressible fluid.

- Jim

The soda can is under pressure, the human body is not.

Either way, I don't care to be shot by anything.

Not even a camera?

[speedsix]

...I fear/respect the .22 short lead bullet as much as I do a .357 full house...back in the 70s, the .22 short was the primary weapon chosen by most of the criminals I handled (RG10)...I saw more die of that round than any other...the coroner told us that you'd more likely die of the .22 short than a .45 because it bounced around inside and created more holes than the heavier bullet, and the Dr. couldn't stop the bleeding soon enough...proof was in the pudding...then crime seemed to get more profitable, and "folks" went to the "nines"...now they have money enough for anything they want...

[Excaliber]

...I fear/respect the .22 short lead bullet as much as I do a .357 full house...back in the 70s, the .22 short was the primary weapon chosen by most of the criminals I handled (RG10)...I saw more die of that round than any other...the coroner told us that you'd more likely die of the .22 short than a .45 because it bounced around inside and created more holes than the heavier bullet, and the Dr. couldn't stop the bleeding soon enough...proof was in the pudding...then crime seemed to get more profitable, and "folks" went to the "nines"...now they have money enough for anything they want...

Many of those who survive the initial perforations from this round eventually die of infection due to the germ laden material carried all along the wound path by the molten lube these bullets are coated with.

From a defensive standpoint, the problem with it is that little holes bleed slowly and folks who need to be stopped right now end up stopping later than a defender can afford.

In one case I saw, a defender fired 14 rounds of .22LR from a rifle into his attacker's torso from across the room distance. He did achieve a stop and the attacker fell at his feet just before he could do damage, but he was pretty shaken up that so many shots had so little initial effect.

[Scott in Houston]

Many of those who survive the initial perforations from this round eventually die of infection due to the germ laden material carried all along the wound path by the molten lube these bullets are coated with.

From a defensive standpoint, the problem with it is that little holes bleed slowly and folks who need to be stopped right now end up stopping later than a defender can afford.

In one case I saw, a defender fired 14 rounds of .22LR from a rifle into his attacker's torso from across the room distance. He did achieve a stop and the attacker fell at his feet just before he could do damage, but he was pretty shaken up that so many shots had so little initial effect.

That's an interesting story. You could make the case that those 14 rounds of 22LR are more powerful than 14 pellets from a shotgun, but most would say that a shotgun would incapacitate much faster.
I suppose it's the spread of the shots. Those 14 wounds were probably all inches apart from each other, where as, the shotgun wounds would basically be all one big wound.

[The Annoyed Man]

Do not dare anyone to shoot you. This is a real bad idea. The best you can do is not get shot right then and there.

- Jim

When I used to work in the ER, I saw one such fatality. The teenaged son of an LAPD officer was hanging around with his cousin when they came across his father's .32 caliber BUG. The cousin stupidly but playfully pointed the gun at the son's head. The son dared his cousin to pull the trigger. He did. The bullet entered the son's head just above and right between the eyes. Range was point blank. The cousin told police that they believed the gun was unloaded, and neither of them checked to see if it was or not. The son did not survive.

There was no exit wound as I recall, but the entry wound was surprisingly large for the caliber. It wasn't gigantic, but it was large enough to permit gray matter to leak out of the wound. The muzzle was at nearly contact distance when the trigger was pulled, so perhaps the size of the hole was in part due to the muzzle blast.

Like Jim said, daring someone to shoot you is a bad idea.

[speedsix]

...I've seen over two dozen grown men lay down and die from the .22 short right there on the street...I'm a believer that it's lethal...when I was making a whole $500 per month, I carried a High Standard snub with .22 LRHP in it as my backup for about a year...till I could afford something better...with proper bullet placement, it's adequate...I wouldn't advocate anyone choosing a .22 rimfire as their primary...but I wouldn't do anything to make someone with a .22 rimfire to shoot me, either...never saw it "explode" anyone...but I've often seen it reduce blood pressure to a big fat 0...

...an unnumbered, unnamed group of family businessmen have used the .22 round for decades with great success, as have employees of a rather large Company...just sayin'...

[RoyGBiv]

Sorta' on topic:

There are those who do not believe the .22 is an adequate self defense cartridge. I'm waiting to hear the condition of the person/s who asked to be shot with a .22 to prove this belief.

I think it's as much about reliability as bullet ballistics. After > 1500 rounds, I have yet to have a non-mag related failure in my 9mm, but my .22 has had two or three FTEs after only 100 rounds (it's still really fun to shoot though ).

I have a Ruger model .22/45... I shoot it with the kids primarily.
Just for my own interest, I've avoided cleaning it for a while.
Have sent ~1,000 rounds through it since the last cleaning, without a single problem.

Was at the range on Monday and, finally, had 1 FTE about 10 rounds into a 200 round .22 session.
Was quite the mess inside when I took it apart. Cleaned up just fine.

Reliable? Absolutely.

[Excaliber]

...I've seen over two dozen grown men lay down and die from the .22 short right there on the street...I'm a believer that it's lethal...when I was making a whole $500 per month, I carried a High Standard snub with .22 LRHP in it as my backup for about a year...till I could afford something better...with proper bullet placement, it's adequate...I wouldn't advocate anyone choosing a .22 rimfire as their primary...but I wouldn't do anything to make someone with a .22 rimfire to shoot me, either...never saw it "explode" anyone...but I've often seen it reduce blood pressure to a big fat 0...

...an unnumbered, unnamed group of family businessmen have used the .22 round for decades with great success, as have employees of a rather large Company...just sayin'...

Ambush and defense are different applications.

An expertly placed head shot from a suppressed weapon (as the family and company organizations you cited often used) into an unsuspecting target or the less well known shot through a body orifice are well proven to be pretty much instantly lethal, and the .22 has been a favorite for that due to the low noise signature and small or no visible wound.

However, even though putting several small caliber rounds into a determined shooting or charging adversary will eventually ruin his day, there's a very high probability that won't happen before he finishes ruining yours. It could happen with perfect shot placement and a lot of luck, but then again it very well might not.

If that's all you've got at the time, that's what you have to go with, but deliberately choosing to rely on a tiny low power round for defense when better options are available has few advantages I can think of and enough drawbacks to make me happy to take the role of observer to see how that strategy works out for others rather than having those experiences myself.

[speedsix]

...I don't even wanna be in the same block...he might be lookin' for a place to put that head once he unscrews it...