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Re: HB 3639 - SB 1581

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tbrown wrote:He should offer an amendment if he doesn't like what the senate passed.

How does an idiot like dress himself in the morning, much less get elected? :shock:
Turner is from Houston .... that's how he get elected ... I've always known he's goofy, but he got his name known a lot in the news long ago, then ran for office.
People vote for someone because "Yeah, I heard his name before" :banghead:
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RPB wrote: Turner is from Houston .... that's how he get elected ... I've always known he's goofy, but he got his name known a lot in the news long ago, then ran for office.
People vote for someone because "Yeah, I heard his name before" :banghead:
At least his bid for mayor fell through!
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Re: HB 3639 - SB 1581

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Today at 2 pm is the deadline for any amendments which can change SB 1581


Campus carry is very alive

Any Amendments to the bill must be turned in by 2:00 today (Tuesday) and they'll hear and vote on it Wednesday... then it will hopefully be sent to the Governor to sign.

So, today (and tomorrow) are pretty much the last chance to call/fax your Representative and tell him you're in favor of Campus Carry.

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IF the House changes the bill ... it may have to go to a conference committee, where some Senators and some Representatives meet and argue in "conference committee ... (That's why it's important to call/fax Representatives ... If in conference committee the 2 chambers can't eventually agree ... the bill dies.)
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RPB wrote:Today at 2 pm is the deadline for any amendments which can change SB 1581


Campus carry is very alive

Any Amendments to the bill must be turned in by 2:00 today (Tuesday) and they'll hear and vote on it Wednesday... then it will hopefully be sent to the Governor to sign.

So, today (and tomorrow) are pretty much the last chance to call/fax your Representative and tell him you're in favor of Campus Carry.

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IF the House changes the bill ... it may have to go to a conference committee, where some Senators and some Representatives meet and argue in "conference committee ... (That's why it's important to call/fax Representatives ... If in conference committee the 2 chambers can't eventually agree ... the bill dies.)
The campus carry sections of the bill look very similar between what is coming to the house floor and the senate engrossed version.

However the house committee substitute version and the senate engrossed version of non-campus carry verbiage is much different - the senate version is about 3 times longer than the house version. Hopefully this isn't an issue, and that one of the amendments is to replace the house committee substitute with the engrossed senate version. (I guess as a taxpayer I should care about the other parts in the bill, the non campus carry parts, but I read through it and decided I didn't!)

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Re: HB 3639 - SB 1581

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This morning:
House bringing up the "Two Subject Rule" Standard from last 2 sessions ... about bills covering more than 1 subject.
Had it reduced to writing ...

Thought process: setting stage for trying to remove "Campus Carry" subject from a "FISCAL" subject bill
(Re: germaneness .... to a FISCAL BILL)
Immunity & resulting Reduced insurance rates/inability to raise insurance premiums per section 9 of the bill/ costs of concealed campus carry on Fiscal matters bills tomorrow

Fiscal notes and analysis http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/ ... 01581H.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
and http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/ ... 01581H.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
C.S.S.B. 1581 includes an institution of higher education and an officer or employee of such an institution among the entities that are immune from:

· liability for damages caused by an action authorized under concealed handgun licensing provisions of law, a failure to perform a duty imposed by such provisions of law, or by the actions of a concealed handgun license holder or applicant that occur after the applicant has received a license or been denied a license

· having a cause of action in damages brought against the entities for any damage caused by the actions of a concealed handgun license applicant or license holder

The bill makes such immunities inapplicable to an institution of higher education and an officer or employee of such an institution if the institution's or employee's act or failure to act was capricious or arbitrary. The bill prohibits an insurance company doing business in Texas from increasing the amount of the liability insurance premiums charged to an institution of higher education in Texas solely because license holders are permitted to carry handguns on campus.
Institutions of higher education reported that the bill's provisions could increase costs related to campus police operations, security programs, and staff training. Adaptation of campus facilities to accommodate the storage of handguns could result in new costs for institutions. For this analysis it is assumed implementing the provisions of the bill would not result in a significant impact on the programs and workload of State corrections agencies or on the demand for resources of those agencies.
An airplane wing could fall off and whack me on the head too ...

Campus carry is germane in that it at least freezes insurance premiums/cost, possibly reduces them, therefore has a LONG term positive Fiscal impact on schools, even if Short term expense of storage cost is incurred (which isn't necessary if schools make CHLs rent/buy lockers or whatever) and no negative Fiscal impact on Government.

Fiscally ...
Like putting Neosporin/Bactine/Solarcain on a bruise ... can't hurt ... might help.
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artx wrote:
RPB wrote:Today at 2 pm is the deadline for any amendments which can change SB 1581


Campus carry is very alive

Any Amendments to the bill must be turned in by 2:00 today (Tuesday) and they'll hear and vote on it Wednesday... then it will hopefully be sent to the Governor to sign.

So, today (and tomorrow) are pretty much the last chance to call/fax your Representative and tell him you're in favor of Campus Carry.

-----------------------

IF the House changes the bill ... it may have to go to a conference committee, where some Senators and some Representatives meet and argue in "conference committee ... (That's why it's important to call/fax Representatives ... If in conference committee the 2 chambers can't eventually agree ... the bill dies.)
The campus carry sections of the bill look very similar between what is coming to the house floor and the senate engrossed version.

However the house committee substitute version and the senate engrossed version of non-campus carry verbiage is much different - the senate version is about 3 times longer than the house version. Hopefully this isn't an issue, and that one of the amendments is to replace the house committee substitute with the engrossed senate version. (I guess as a taxpayer I should care about the other parts in the bill, the non campus carry parts, but I read through it and decided I didn't!)
I believe they removed SB5 in house committee.
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Brady response
http://www.bradynetwork.org/site/Messag ... 0&pgwrap=n" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

They provide an E-mail to Straus which is already pre-worded for the illiterate and/or illogical.
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Re: HB 3639 - SB 1581

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Appropriations committee minutes

http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/ ... 308301.HTM" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The chair laid out SB 1581.
The chair offered a complete committee substitute.
The committee substitute was adopted without objection.
(Representative McClendon now present.)

Representative Patrick, Diane offered an amendment to the committee substitute.
The amendment failed by the following record vote:

etc
Unless I'm wrong ...

So the House will be voting on the substitute tomorrow (still containing Campus Carry)
http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/ ... 01581H.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Then, since the House made a complete substitute ... it will need to go back to the Senate, to see if Ogden's group approves http://www.tlc.state.tx.us/gtli/legproc ... eturn.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
, or if they need a conference committee.
http://www.tlc.state.tx.us/gtli/legproc ... oncom.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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RPB wrote:Appropriations committee minutes

http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/ ... 308301.HTM" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The chair laid out SB 1581.
The chair offered a complete committee substitute.
The committee substitute was adopted without objection.
(Representative McClendon now present.)

Representative Patrick, Diane offered an amendment to the committee substitute.
The amendment failed by the following record vote:

etc
Unless I'm wrong ...

So the House will be voting on the substitute tomorrow (still containing Campus Carry)
http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/ ... 01581H.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Then, since the House made a complete substitute ... it will need to go back to the Senate, to see if Ogden's group approves, or if they need a conference committee. http://www.tlc.state.tx.us/gtli/legproc ... eturn.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


and
http://www.tlc.state.tx.us/gtli/legproc ... oncom.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
COMPARISON OF ORIGINAL AND SUBSTITUTE
C.S.S.B. 1581 omits provisions included in the original relating to certain administrative matters concerning institutions of higher education; fiscal matters concerning certain distributions to institutions of higher education; and a fee on nonsettling manufacturers of tobacco products.

C.S.S.B. 1581 contains provisions not included in the original changing the payment periods for certain installments of the foundation school fund to category 2 and category 3 school districts. The substitutes contains a provision not included in the original excepting such payments from the requirement that previously unpaid additional funds from prior years owed to a district be paid to the district together with the September payment of the current year entitlement and specifying that the requirement applies to fiscal years. The substitute contains a provision not included in the original repealing Section 466.355(c), Government Code, requiring the comptroller of public accounts to estimate and then transfer the required amount from the state lottery account to the foundation school fund. The substitute contains a transition provision not included in the original.

C.S.S.B. 1581 contains a provision not included in the original authorizing, for the state fiscal biennium ending August 31, 2013, only, the amount of the state contribution to the Teacher Retirement System of Texas to be less than the amount contributed by members during that biennium. The substitute contains a provision not included in the original authorizing the state, for the state fiscal biennium ending August 31, 2013, only, to contribute an amount to the retired school employees group insurance fund that is less than one percent of the salary of each active employee.
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Thanks warhorse10_9, I hadn't compared them yet.
sgfstexas TX Gun-Free Schools
SB 5 is up in the House. Wentworth's amendment was removed, but rumor has it a House member may try to put guns-on-campus back on again.
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That would be nice :mrgreen:
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RPB wrote:Thanks warhorse10_9, I hadn't compared them yet.
sgfstexas TX Gun-Free Schools
SB 5 is up in the House. Wentworth's amendment was removed, but rumor has it a House member may try to put guns-on-campus back on again.
9 minutes ago

That would be nice :mrgreen:
He's been reading my thoughts again. Time to get a mohawk... "rlol"
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RPB wrote:Thanks warhorse10_9, I hadn't compared them yet.
sgfstexas TX Gun-Free Schools
SB 5 is up in the House. Wentworth's amendment was removed, but rumor has it a House member may try to put guns-on-campus back on again.
9 minutes ago

That would be nice :mrgreen:
Damn, he won - SB 5 is pure and clean from firearms amendments. I'm going to hate to hear him gloating :-(
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Re: HB 3639 - SB 1581

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Pitts says TX House won't be able to vote on SB 1581 until SB 1811 finished :totap:
About 500 pages of Amendments expected on SB 1811 :eek6 :shock:


But ... I bet there's a reason 1811 must come first. Pitts is in charge of both ... and he's on our side so far it seems.
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I don't know why they removed it in the first place. That rewarded her for blocking gun rights.

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boba wrote:I don't know why they removed it in the first place. That rewarded her for blocking gun rights.
Yep; couldda been that if 1581 was heard first and it got neutered, ZSB 5 was the back up ... and House could re-add amendment and send it back to Senate to agree or stuff it ... but it didn't happen in that order .... dunno :headscratch

I assume Wentworth knew we needed it for schools, and was putting it through as a potential second target by removing his amendment; but SB 5 came up first ...

Pitts says House and Senate are $3.8billion apart on education and $1billion apart on higher education.

Pitts says keeping the sales tax holiday, and increasing border security funding, among other changes to fisc. matters bill cost $1B

Rep. Hochberg announces that he will try to amend his school finance legislation onto the fiscal matters bill. (not sure if he means 1811 or 1581
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