This.RPB wrote:Floor amendment 16
page 2169
http://www.journals.senate.state.tx.us/ ... DF#page=16" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Senator Zaffirini again moved to suspend the regular order of business to resume
consideration of CSSBi5 at this time on its second reading:
CSSB 5, Relating to the administration and business affairs of public institutions
of higher education.
The motion prevailed.
Senator Ogden asked to be recorded as voting "Nay" on suspension of the
regular order of business.
The bill was read second time.
Senator Wentworth offered the following amendment to the bill:
Floor Amendment No. 16
Amend CSSB 5 as amended as follows:
Strike all of added Articlei__, Miscellaneous Provisions, as added by Floor
Amendment 8, in its entirety.
The amendment to CSSB 5 was read and was adopted by a viva voce vote.
All Members are deemed to have voted "Yea" on the adoption of Floor
Amendment No.i16.
HB 3639 - SB 1581
Moderator: Charles L. Cotton
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I'm sorta lost here, but thinking ... Ceramic Glocks (SB 5?) only get stuck in metal detectors if loaded (Amendment 8/ guns on campus/SB 354) ...
Wentworth unloaded it so SB 5 gets to the House.
SB 1581 contains a version of SB 354
HB 3639 is companion to SB 1581
House bills until Thursday ... after Thursday it's Senate bills heard in the House
Notice all the Floor Amendments being offered in the House.
HB 750 language as a House floor Amendment to SB 5 would look pretty much like Amendment 8 for it to be Germane
At this point ... i dunno ... will be interesting.
Wonder who will be on conference committees.
Wentworth unloaded it so SB 5 gets to the House.
SB 1581 contains a version of SB 354
HB 3639 is companion to SB 1581
House bills until Thursday ... after Thursday it's Senate bills heard in the House
Notice all the Floor Amendments being offered in the House.
HB 750 language as a House floor Amendment to SB 5 would look pretty much like Amendment 8 for it to be Germane
At this point ... i dunno ... will be interesting.
Wonder who will be on conference committees.
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HB 3639 Pitts / Aycock
Relating to state fiscal matters related to public and higher education.
7:54 p.m.05/10/2011 postponed till tomorrow May 11th
H Postponed 5/11/11 8:00 AM 05/10/2011
http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/BillLook ... ill=HB3639" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
"As much as I'd like to lay it out, I move to postpone ..."
Perhaps he needs to tally how many of us called and how many "others" (probably from out of State pretending to be Texans) called
Relating to state fiscal matters related to public and higher education.
7:54 p.m.05/10/2011 postponed till tomorrow May 11th
H Postponed 5/11/11 8:00 AM 05/10/2011
http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/BillLook ... ill=HB3639" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
"As much as I'd like to lay it out, I move to postpone ..."
Perhaps he needs to tally how many of us called and how many "others" (probably from out of State pretending to be Texans) called
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He has to postpone it to get the language right in the amendment.
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Is the plan to amend HB 3639 to match the engrossed version of SB 1581, instead of substituting? (Do I recall correctly there may be parliamentarian issues with substitution if there are significant differences?) Would that then require HB 3639 to be passed by the senate (or SB 1581 to be passed on its own by the house) for campus carry to survive? Or would they substitute the passed SB for the HB after amending the HB to match?Jasonw560 wrote:He has to postpone it to get the language right in the amendment.
tempus fugit
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I don't know how the playbook/strategy/game plan goes; may want to try to amend HB 3639, see if it gets on the floor before Thursday, if not, hear the SB 1581 AFTER Thursday, and/or amend SB 5 in the House too...if time doesn't run out... as a chance to "get more than one bite of the apple" ??apostate wrote:Is the plan to amend HB 3639 to match the engrossed version of SB 1581, instead of substituting? (Do I recall correctly there may be parliamentarian issues with substitution if there are significant differences?) Would that then require HB 3639 to be passed by the senate (or SB 1581 to be passed on its own by the house) for campus carry to survive? Or would they substitute the passed SB for the HB after amending the HB to match?Jasonw560 wrote:He has to postpone it to get the language right in the amendment.
tempus fugit
Or
might try substituting the SB for the HB now.
I think it would be a big mistake to go ahead and pass an unamended HB , so I'll be calling/again today (Wed) because Thurs is the last day for the unsubstituted HB if I understand correctly.
I'm really not sure of procedures/rules at this stage
Guess we may find out today possibly what the game plan is/was, if not today, then Thursday (tomorrow) maybe.
Faxing again now so they'll have paper in the machine I hope and see it first thing (Wed) this morning
4:00 a.m. Wed got my Wed. faxes sent and e-mails sent
will make calls again when sunrise comes
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Appropriations Committee
http://www.house.state.tx.us/committees ... mittee=030" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
They need to expedite SB 1581 to substitute it in; hopefully it can be expedited since HB 3639 is already "out there"
I'm finding this info:
Basically what we need you to do is talk to House members in appropriations and ask them to pass both SB 1581 and Senator Wentworths amendment to said.
Pick three members of the House Appropriations Committee (PITTS, the author of the HB is the CHAIR !!! He calls the meetings !!! )and ask them to preserve and support Senator Wentworth’s campus carry amendment to SB 1581. Their contact info can be found here: http://www.house.state.tx.us/committees ... mittee=030" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Campus Carry recently passed in the Texas Senate, and now we need your help more than ever to get it through the House! This shouldn't take more than 5 minutes total.
Zerwas is on it too ... but he wasn't any help in Calendars ... perhaps I made fun of him in Gym class 40 years ago? I dunno
I'M NOT SEEING AN APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE MEETING since last week MONDAY MAY 2 ... (none this Monday, yesterday or today Wednesday? http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/Committe ... ?Chamber=H" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
....the 2 Authors of the HB 3639 (Notice that Pitts and Aycock are in Appropriations, Pitts is the Chair). Since the House companion bill, House Bill 3639 by state Representative Jim Pitts (R-Waxahachie), already occupies a slot on the House Calendar, it is expected that SB 1581 could be expedited through the House Appropriations Committee and substituted on the House floor for HB 3639.
http://www.house.state.tx.us/committees ... mittee=030" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
They need to expedite SB 1581 to substitute it in; hopefully it can be expedited since HB 3639 is already "out there"
I'm finding this info:
Basically what we need you to do is talk to House members in appropriations and ask them to pass both SB 1581 and Senator Wentworths amendment to said.
Pick three members of the House Appropriations Committee (PITTS, the author of the HB is the CHAIR !!! He calls the meetings !!! )and ask them to preserve and support Senator Wentworth’s campus carry amendment to SB 1581. Their contact info can be found here: http://www.house.state.tx.us/committees ... mittee=030" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Campus Carry recently passed in the Texas Senate, and now we need your help more than ever to get it through the House! This shouldn't take more than 5 minutes total.
Zerwas is on it too ... but he wasn't any help in Calendars ... perhaps I made fun of him in Gym class 40 years ago? I dunno
I'M NOT SEEING AN APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE MEETING since last week MONDAY MAY 2 ... (none this Monday, yesterday or today Wednesday? http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/Committe ... ?Chamber=H" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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See:
viewtopic.php?f=90&t=44974" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Further details/call to action
viewtopic.php?f=90&t=44974" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Further details/call to action
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http://www.house.state.tx.us/video-audio/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
3 minute countdown till House starts ... I saw no appropriations committee meeting yet, so we'll see what happens ... perhaps an amendment to HB 3639 ... then after Thursday ... consider SB 1581 if the House Bill runs out of clock time ?
Bell ringing n the House now.
But, either they all "slept-in" or aren't here from all the various committee meetings yet.
3 minute countdown till House starts ... I saw no appropriations committee meeting yet, so we'll see what happens ... perhaps an amendment to HB 3639 ... then after Thursday ... consider SB 1581 if the House Bill runs out of clock time ?
Bell ringing n the House now.
But, either they all "slept-in" or aren't here from all the various committee meetings yet.
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Keep us posted. My boss is around, can't really follow until she's back in her office.
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doing all the doctor of the day, now doing resolutions HR 1243 honoring a photographer, etc ... will be a quite while before they actually do anythingJasonw560 wrote:Keep us posted. My boss is around, can't really follow until she's back in her office.
Introducing/recognizing a bunch of groups of various students/ball teams etc now ...
11:00 a.m. ... Local and Consent calendar (not us)
11:28 finished with going through Local Consent And Resolutions Calendar
doing recognition of some girl
11:32 a.m. ...Adjourned until 11:35 a.m. today
11:43 ... doing "Record votes" on Local Consent And Resolutions Calendar to "finally pass" them
11:53 finally starting in Supplemental House Calendar
Wednesday, May 11, 2011
http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/ ... 110511.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
going down the list in order
now on HB 2707
HB 3001
HB 1355
HB 2510
(moving pretty fast)
done with that part
HR something honoring Harmony school now
Welcoming 4th graders from another school now
Things "postponed until 8 a.m." (like HB 3639) ... probably will come up this afternoon-evening. That's what happened yesterday.
However, I think postponed business is coming up right after lunch.
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(Zerwas [Calendars and Appropriations] is excused from House Floor to attend conference committee on HB 1)
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Floor announcement:
HIGHER ED COMMITTEE TO MEET AT LUNCH TO CONSIDER SB 5
I missed the room number) earlier it was Higher Education [E1.014] early this morning when they considered several Senate Bills, but not SB5
http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/ ... 100001.HTM" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
NOTICE OF FORMAL MEETING
COMMITTEE: Higher Education
TIME & DATE: Upon lunch recess
Wednesday, May 11, 2011
PLACE: House Chamber, Desk # 94
CHAIR: Rep. Dan Branch
SB 5 Zaffirini
Relating to the administration and business affairs of public institutions of higher education.
Notice of this meeting was announced from the house floor.
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They should just add Wentworth's language back in in committee as an amendment ... save floor time later maybe (doubtful they would if they could)
I'll keep refreshing http://www.house.state.tx.us/video-audio/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; to see if it shows up
Others Committee meetings Announcements... if they said 1581, or appropriations ... I haven't heard it ...
House adjourned till 1:15 PM today
Should start the "postponed business" then.
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Lunch over:
video restarting (hit Play again to reconnect if using RealPlayer if it cut off at lunch)
If just got here http://www.house.state.tx.us/video-audio/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
1:18 P.M. Bell ringing (to call everyone back? )
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Floor announcement:
HIGHER ED COMMITTEE TO MEET AT LUNCH TO CONSIDER SB 5
I missed the room number) earlier it was Higher Education [E1.014] early this morning when they considered several Senate Bills, but not SB5
http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/ ... 100001.HTM" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
NOTICE OF FORMAL MEETING
COMMITTEE: Higher Education
TIME & DATE: Upon lunch recess
Wednesday, May 11, 2011
PLACE: House Chamber, Desk # 94
CHAIR: Rep. Dan Branch
SB 5 Zaffirini
Relating to the administration and business affairs of public institutions of higher education.
Notice of this meeting was announced from the house floor.
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They should just add Wentworth's language back in in committee as an amendment ... save floor time later maybe (doubtful they would if they could)
I'll keep refreshing http://www.house.state.tx.us/video-audio/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; to see if it shows up
Others Committee meetings Announcements... if they said 1581, or appropriations ... I haven't heard it ...
House adjourned till 1:15 PM today
Should start the "postponed business" then.
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Lunch over:
video restarting (hit Play again to reconnect if using RealPlayer if it cut off at lunch)
If just got here http://www.house.state.tx.us/video-audio/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
1:18 P.M. Bell ringing (to call everyone back? )
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http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/ ... 110511.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
HB 272 finally passed
HB 1766 finally passed
Announcement: 1:33 p.m.
ABOUT TO BEGIN POSTPONED BUSINESS
If taken in order, I think we are about the 17th one down or so
HB 272 finally passed
HB 1766 finally passed
Announcement: 1:33 p.m.
ABOUT TO BEGIN POSTPONED BUSINESS
If taken in order, I think we are about the 17th one down or so
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Thanks for the regular updates! They're much appreciated.
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happy to do it for ya'll who can't watch at work (It's hard enough to switch between Word/Exel/Solitaire when the boss walks by without more windows open) J/K
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Postponed business
brought up 3055 ... postponed it again
now on 2589 passed to third reading
HJR 109 explaining it ... discussing it ... constitutional amendment school fund land commissioner etc ... amendment to the HJR offered ... yak yak discussing it ...point of order, time expired ...
amendment adopted, back on the bill ...
Record vote ... passed HJR is afdopted
Now HB 804 (illegal voting by a person who is not a United States citizen.) Having special instructions and assistants help them? (kidding)
HB 804 postponed again till later today
HB 628 now ... ... there are a number of amendments to this bill maybe 9 amendments?
Relating to contracts by governmental entities and related professional services and to public works performance and payment bonds.
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(10 - 11 more and we'll be at HB 3639)
Since Appropriations hasn't met on SB 1581 ... I'm guessing HB 3639 will be postponed yet again, but maybe ... just pass and send to Senate to amend and have conference ... I dunno at this point what the heck to expect.
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HB 628 passed to engrossment
2:12 p.m.
HB 1205 now
Relating to the procedures for reducing or terminating community supervision and the establishment of certain time credits through which a defendant's period of community supervision is reduced.
(Are the same Anti-gun/anti-self protection people now wanting less supervision for released criminals?)
passed to engrossment
Record vote ... passed to engrossment
(8 more until HB 3639 )
SB 602 now (HB 1671 companion) confidentiality TDL info etc
There are a few amendments (to keep more stuff/e-mail addys/traffic violation personal info etc confidential)...
voting to engross
Passed to engrossment
HB 3517 now ... postponing it till 8 pm today
HB 2233 now postponing
5 more till us
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Postponed business
brought up 3055 ... postponed it again
now on 2589 passed to third reading
HJR 109 explaining it ... discussing it ... constitutional amendment school fund land commissioner etc ... amendment to the HJR offered ... yak yak discussing it ...point of order, time expired ...
amendment adopted, back on the bill ...
Record vote ... passed HJR is afdopted
Now HB 804 (illegal voting by a person who is not a United States citizen.) Having special instructions and assistants help them? (kidding)
HB 804 postponed again till later today
HB 628 now ... ... there are a number of amendments to this bill maybe 9 amendments?
Relating to contracts by governmental entities and related professional services and to public works performance and payment bonds.
====================
(10 - 11 more and we'll be at HB 3639)
Since Appropriations hasn't met on SB 1581 ... I'm guessing HB 3639 will be postponed yet again, but maybe ... just pass and send to Senate to amend and have conference ... I dunno at this point what the heck to expect.
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HB 628 passed to engrossment
2:12 p.m.
HB 1205 now
Relating to the procedures for reducing or terminating community supervision and the establishment of certain time credits through which a defendant's period of community supervision is reduced.
(Are the same Anti-gun/anti-self protection people now wanting less supervision for released criminals?)
passed to engrossment
Record vote ... passed to engrossment
(8 more until HB 3639 )
SB 602 now (HB 1671 companion) confidentiality TDL info etc
There are a few amendments (to keep more stuff/e-mail addys/traffic violation personal info etc confidential)...
voting to engross
Passed to engrossment
HB 3517 now ... postponing it till 8 pm today
HB 2233 now postponing
5 more till us
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