Thinking about Riding Greyhound

[Thomas]

EDIT: Old emphasis removed as no long necessary. Update posted on third page of this thread. Here's the link to that update: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=44082&p=600735#p600735" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

If anyone knows of Greyhound practices to physically screen its passengers, I would appreciate it if you could share your knowledge.

I am thinking about riding Greyhound to New Mexico with my CHL this summer.

From: http://www.dps.nm.org/lawEnforcement/ccw/ccwFaq.php

Question: Can an owner of private property prohibit me from carrying my concealed handgun on his premise?

Answer: Yes. Pursuant to Subsection C of NMSA 1978 Section 29-19-12, any person lawfully in possession of private property may prohibit the carrying of concealed handguns on such private property by posting notice in accordance with NMSA 1978 Section 30-14-6 or by verbally notifying persons entering upon the property.

I don't think that NMSA 1978 Section 30-14-6 will apply in my circumstance. (Postage of a large sign with requirements.)

I think I am in the clear as long as I am already on the bus as I enter New Mexico and I don't exit the bus at a stop so that if the driver announces "no guns", I'm not just "entering" the property.

I'm not so much as worried about the law as I am worried about Greyhound stranding me if they decide to randomly wand people. From the 3 other topics about Greyhound, they don't have metal detectors, but they do random wanding occasionally and they won't let you on the bus with a weapon. old EDIT: Those are old topics, I am looking for new knowledge if available.

(However on my ride back, starting in New Mexico, if I am verbally told "no guns" I would be breaking the law. If I was told "no weapons", I don't think I would be breaking the law (but a judge or jury could think differently), because anything is a weapon or not, it just depends how you use it.)

old EDIT: I am not really looking for advice on New Mexico law. I just added that to share some knowledge. Real purpose of this topic is in bold at the top.

[Oldgringo]

What a coincidence! I wrote a bus from Nashville to John Day, OR...in 1962. My scoped Win M-70 .30-06 and ammo was underneath me in the hold of the bus.

Mrs.Oldgringo just informed me that she could ride the "Long Dog" from Tyler for 11 hours to BHM for $80 with an advance ticket purchase. It cost nearly $300 (round trip) and took nearly 11 hours (each way) to drive to BHM to see her kids and grandkids over Spring Break. I'd want her to have her Texas CH licensed snubbie on her person should this ride happen.

Very interesting! Let us know what you learn.

[Art S]

Do not know if this helps but it will give you some idea.
This was copied from the Greyhound website:

Prohibited Items for Checked Baggage
Acids, ammunition, animals, combustible liquids, compressed gases, corpses, cremated remains, explosives, firearms of all types, fireworks, flammable liquids, furniture, hazardous materials (poisons, radioactive materials, etc.), materials with a disagreeable odor, matches, merchandise for resale, protruding articles, or any unsecured articles including those in plastic or paper bags are prohibited. Electronic equipment (television, stereos, etc.), film (flammable), and perishable items (food) may be sent using Greyhound PackageXpress with appropriate packing. Items such as money and prescription medication may not be checked as baggage and are to be carried in the customer's possession.

Laptop computers are considered "electronic items" and are prohibited as checked baggage, however they may be brought aboard as one of two allowed carry-on items.

If you have any questions about what specific items are allowed on board (as carry-on or checked), please check our Prohibited Items List. Some items we allow on the list may be considered illegal on board public transportation in certain states. Greyhound will follow local law in these cases.

FYI I changed font color &size on above.

http://www.greyhound.com/en/docs/greyho ... s_list.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Go to page two

Later,
Art S.

[Thomas]

I know they say it is not allowed, but in Texas, that alone has no meaning for a CHL. I appreciate you taking the time to look at their website, but I've already done that too.

[hirundo82]

You also have federal law to deal with since Greyhound is a common carrier and you are traveling interstate.

18 USC §922 Unlawful Acts
(e) It shall be unlawful for any person knowingly to deliver or cause to be delivered to any common or contract carrier for transportation or shipment in interstate or foreign commerce, to persons other than licensed importers, licensed manufacturers, licensed dealers, or licensed collectors, any package or other container in which there is any firearm or ammunition without written notice to the carrier that such firearm or ammunition is being transported or shipped; except that any passenger who owns or legally possesses a firearm or ammunition being transported aboard any common or contract carrier for movement with the passenger in interstate or foreign commerce may deliver said firearm or ammunition into the custody of the pilot, captain, conductor or operator of such common or contract carrier for the duration of the trip without violating any of the provisions of this chapter. No common or contract carrier shall require or cause any label, tag, or other written notice to be placed on the outside of any package, luggage, or other container that such package, luggage, or other container contains a firearm.

[Thomas]

Thank you for providing the link to the whole law. I will go over it later today and post back my conclusion.

[DFWTT]

So that essentially says you have to give it to the driver? Odd. Better yet would he accept it or tell you to get off?

[Hoi Polloi]

That's talking about sending a firearm as a package, as in mailing it. It doesn't seem to apply to carrying a firearm on your person for self-defense. I didn't read anything posted outside this thread, but it looks like greater context is needed as I haven't seen anything posted here that refers to the legality of carrying it on your person.

[dihappy]

"All Persons, Their Belongings And Packages, Are Subject To Being Searched At Any Time"



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Prohibited

[2up1down]

Rent a car and be done with it.

[Oldgringo]

Rent a car and be done with it.

It's about more than your CHL, It's also about $4.00+/gallon gasoline being consumed in your POV at one gallon every 15 (+/-) miles.

It sounds kinda' fun, if the boogies don't get you.

[texas1234]

Im not sure about their gun policy, but I am sure that after reading this article several years ago I will never ride a Greyhound bus ever.

Its not so much the fact that it is an arduous pain in the rear and takes 9x as long as riding a bicycle as it is the fear of a deranged satan worshiper chopping my head off and eating me.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,395313,00.html

[AustinMRH]

My sister-in-law had her small size pepper spray confiscated by Greyhound in Houston before heading back to Austin. She is a disabled adult and the spray is her first line of defense against predators. At least this is giving me the opportunity to replace her generic walmart spray with some good G&T Dist. LEO spray.

And even though she doesn't need a cane I've got a nice length of bamboo drying now for her. Should help keep the crazies at bay.

[Running Arrow Bill]

If one has time to spare, patience to spare, and frustration to spare...take public transportation (of any kind). Cost of fuel is minor in relation to this.

When I was in my late teens, I took a bus from Denton to Houston...didn't know any better.

Then, when a bunch of us went from Dallas to a military base for Basic Training...didn't have a choice...but, only people on board were "recruits". Think I was about 20 or 22 then...

Used to be only the derilects, parolees, indigents, run-a-ways, escapees, and nut cases rode buses...now they are found on airplanes! Sign of the times...

[The Annoyed Man]

When I was going to A&M, I rode Greyhound home to California one Christmas, and back again after New Years. On the return leg, I had a change of buses in Abilene. When I boarded the new bus, the driver was busy telling Aggie jokes to the passengers. I said, "hey, watch it! I'm an Aggie." He said, "sorry to hear that.... I'll tell it to you slow."

As dreary and tiring as the trip was, it was also an adventure for a young buck. There isn't enough beer in the world to get me to do it again. I'm facing a drive to California next month, and another to Florida in late July or August. Despite the price of gas, it's still cheaper than flying round trip for two people, and I've got to haul a trailer back from California anyway.