Not enough votes to move campus carry forward

[RPB]

Did not get brought up today

nah, ciudad juarez people there and we didn't want to advertise "free parking lot guns" right now until it passes.

Woodheads made a BUNCH of calls over the weekend

[Kory Zipperer]

Lucio is holding it up. If he can't be appeased the whole thing might be dead.

[RHenriksen]

Lucio is holding it up. If he can't be appeased the whole thing might be dead.

Is it just the amendment regarding high schools that share a campus with junior colleges that's at issue?
http://texaschlforum.com/viewtopic.php? ... io#p531421" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Skaven]

Lucio is holding it up. If he can't be appeased the whole thing might be dead.

Is it just the amendment regarding high schools that share a campus with junior colleges that's at issue?
http://texaschlforum.com/viewtopic.php? ... io#p531421" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

He may just be sore for Sen. Wentworth steamrolling him on Friday. Sen. Lucio stated that Sen. Wentworth had promised him time to review the bill, and take it to his constituents. Sen. Wentworth then tried to ram the vote through on Friday. But overall yes, the main concern was with High school's sharing campuses with Junior colleges.

[Kory Zipperer]

Lucio is holding it up. If he can't be appeased the whole thing might be dead.

Is it just the amendment regarding high schools that share a campus with junior colleges that's at issue?
http://texaschlforum.com/viewtopic.php? ... io#p531421" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

He may just be sore for Sen. Wentworth steamrolling him on Friday. Sen. Lucio stated that Sen. Wentworth had promised him time to review the bill, and take it to his constituents. Sen. Wentworth then tried to ram the vote through on Friday. But overall yes, the main concern was with High school's sharing campuses with Junior colleges.

He's claiming the current amendments on joint college / high school campuses doesn't apply to his situation. I think he's just full of hot air.

[RPB]

In about 1973, I attended Houston Community College at Sharpstown high School at night. The parking lot was just as dark, but less crime back then. Only attended 1 semester .... didn't feel safe ...after reading bathroom walls.. Transferred to San Jacinto College where I had a knife pulled on me in the parking lot during daytime. That was before my gun was stolen from the truck while on Staff at U of H. That place felt extra creepy, even around the Law Library where I had to go for Legal Research/Writing at night. I carried a good-sized knife. (barely legal)

[jmoney]

my first day of class since I got my plastic, and I must say it really feels stupid having to leave it behind..in one of the few places I wanted it. At least my theatre in town doesn't have a 30.06 on it...that was the other place i really wanted it at night

[RHenriksen]

Boy, it would be painful if this bill comes to a halt over a personal grudge betw een two senators

[Jasonw560]

I've got my editor (wife) looking over an article I am writing for the local papers. 3 area, 4 college.

Ifnthis doesn't go through tomorrow, I'm presenting the facts and asking them to call Sen. Lucio to help bring this to a vote.

[PATHFINDER]

My information is that hold-outs want an amendment to allow "opt-out" for State campuses, basically making it an optional matter entirely up to institutional discretion. That would effectively negate the act, since outside of A&M, they are pretty much anti's.

Here's an amendment for those folks to consider introducing. Mandate, AND FUND armed security at every entrance to every classroom, office, library, restroom, sports facility, maintenance facility. hallway, walkway, parking lot on the "opting-out" campuses. NO WAY ? NO FUNDS ?

Ok- then WHOOOOOOO... pray tell - amongst these hold-outs will accept responsibility for the carnage resulting from a mass-shooting incident on a State campus ?

Seems to be some concerns among the flock that the police will be "confused" by the presence of armed citizens in the midst of a mass- shooting incident. FLASH !!! The police are going to ofcourse be confused , unsure of what action to take, and unable to prevent the further shooting of victims anyway. With the police on scene, the shooter will only stop killing people when he's down to his last bullet Then he will kill himself. Have we not been here before ?....The POPO will form their skirmish line , and then wait, wait, wait while more victims are slaughterd. HELLO ....out there !

If this bill gets enacted and a mass-shooter undertakes a VA Tech repeat at a Texas campus it will be a "cold crime scene" by the time the "confused" POPO arrive- along with a "cold" mass-shooter.

[Ameer]

My information is that hold-outs want an amendment to allow "opt-out" for State campuses, basically making it an optional matter entirely up to institutional discretion. That would effectively negate the act, since outside of A&M, they are pretty much anti's.

Would the opt out only apply to policy? Or would it be a crime to exercise civil rights on campus?

In other words, would the criminal penalty in Chapter 46 be eliminated for colleges and universities and the "opt out" schools are limited to internal discipline to penalize the students, faculty and staff who violate school policies?

Or do the schools get to make their internal policies a real crime and, if so, why not allow them to make it a felony to cheat on tests or commit plagiarism on a dissertation? That would help improve academia more than prohibiting guns.

[Coogan]

In other words, would the criminal penalty in Chapter 46 be eliminated for colleges and universities and the "opt out" schools are limited to internal discipline to penalize the students, faculty and staff who violate school policies?

This is an important question. If the amendment would remove the criminal penalty, it might be worth accepting just to get something passed.

With support for SB 354 not looking so good, maybe now is a good time to start pushing for HB 2178. This bill would decriminalize the carrying of a concealed handgun on campus. Basically, the way I understand it, the school could (and probably would) have policies to prohibit guns on campus, but there would not be a criminal penalty if caught. The worst penalty you would face would either be expulsion (for a student) or termination of employment (for faculty and staff). You would not have to face any jail time.

I realize this is not the best solution, but if it would get enough support in the Senate for floor debate, it would be better than nothing.

I don't think there is a Senate companion bill for HB 2178.

http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/BillLook ... ill=HB2178" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[RPB]

My information is that hold-outs want an amendment to allow "opt-out" for State campuses, basically making it an optional matter entirely up to institutional discretion. That would effectively negate the act, since outside of A&M, they are pretty much anti's.

Would the opt out only apply to policy? Or would it be a crime to exercise civil rights on campus?

In other words, would the criminal penalty in Chapter 46 be eliminated for colleges and universities and the "opt out" schools are limited to internal discipline to penalize the students, faculty and staff who violate school policies?

Or do the schools get to make their internal policies a real crime and, if so, why not allow them to make it a felony to cheat on tests or commit plagiarism on a dissertation? That would help improve academia more than prohibiting guns.

Thats the thing

At Virginia Tech, it isn't/wasn't "illegal" but you could be expelled.

In only 22 States was it "illegal" Texas is one of those. (Some others are making it at least "not illegal")

But if the "opt out" says 30.06 is "enforceable" then "policy makes law"

I'd much prefer they de-criminalize all schools, and just expel a person so they have to take online courses elsewhere but not go to prison.

Texas has a problem differentiating policy versus law though for schools, but not for Municipalities (city library/parks etc)

So, Virginia Tech paid millions due to "policy" but if someone had been "legally" carrying that day (which licensees could have) ...

I won't intentionally break a law, but you better have good glasses to see my Seecamp if it's just a "policy" violation, because there is no 12 to judge on the other side of the equation .... only 6 pallbearers on the other side of the equation. (Maybe 8, if I keep eating Ice cream)


The current bills attempt to de-criminalize AND allow policies to make it illegal at Private schools ... ambitious, but I"d prfer decriminalized everywhere and let each set whatever policy they want over neutering these to death. (Just MY opinion)

I could live with HB 2178 see differences etc viewtopic.php?f=110&t=42849&p=516842&hilit=2178#p516842" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Ameer]

But if the "opt out" says 30.06 is "enforceable" then "policy makes law"

Not on property owned or leased by a government entity.

Obviously it's not the best solution but maybe it's the best we can get with an overwhelming Republican majority in the Texas house and senate.

[C-dub]

Senator Hinojosa's office today told me Banks and churches are off limits to CHLs sign or no sign
I'm almost surprised that staff member didn't include the State Capitol as an off limits location.

This is from another thread and I didn't want to hijack that one, since it is relevant to this thread.

How in the world can we expect these folks to intelligently enact new legislation when they don't know the current laws?