OH: What not to say during a traffic stop

[seamusTX]

In Englewood, Ohio (Dayton suburb) March 13 police stopped a female driver for speeding.

She admitted to having two shots and beers ("boilermakers") and said, “I’m drunker than I thought I was.”

She was arrested and shackled after threatening the police officers.

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- Jim

[WildBill]

She had to be restrained in the back of the cruiser with hobbles placed on her feet and a hood over her head as she cursed and threatened to hurt one of the officers’ children.

I wonder why the hood? Was she spitting at them? How did she know that the officer had children? Is a hood standard police equipment? Enquiring minds.

[seamusTX]

I dunno. Maybe she was spitting. Maybe she was biting. Maybe she was as ugly as homemade sin.

She didn't have to know the LEO had kids to threaten his hypothetical kids. It doesn't sound like she was a Nobel nominee even stone cold sober after sleeping at a Holiday Inn Express.

- Jim

[Excaliber]

She had to be restrained in the back of the cruiser with hobbles placed on her feet and a hood over her head as she cursed and threatened to hurt one of the officers’ children.

I wonder why the hood? Was she spitting at them? How did she know that the officer had children? Is a hood standard police equipment? Enquiring minds.

Yes, hoods are used for spitters. It's no fun trying to drive while being spit on by a drunken slob sitting behind you, especially if you're in one of the jurisdictions like where I worked where 20% of arrestees were positive for Hepatitis B, HIV, or both.

There's no indication in the article that she knew anything about the officer, but if he appeared to be over the age of 21 or so she would know that there's a very high likelihood he had kids. She was most likely just trying to push a generally reliable emotional button by threatening harm to them. Most active officers encounter threats to family on a fairly regular basis from time to time, and there are ways to deal with such folks.

Making a threat like that is a good way to make sure that every prosecutable aspect of the suspect's behavior will appear as a separate charge on the arrest sheet. It also constitutes a clear danger to the safety of the community and would likely be taken into consideration when bail is set. The suspect may not have remembered what she had said when she sobered up, but she'll be dealing with the consequences for quite a while.

[Oldgringo]

I can't abide being spat upon by anybody; especially, drunken ugly people.

[Keith B]

Yes, hoods are used for spitters. It's no fun trying to drive while being spit on by a drunken slob sitting behind you, especially if you're in one of the jurisdictions like where I worked where 20% of arrestees were positive for Hepatitis B, HIV, or both.

Wish we would have had hoods and/or Plexiglas shields over the barrier when I had to CS a drunk with a bad sinus problem. Let's just say that when you get sprayed, it is better than wasabi at opening up your sinuses. And when the person shakes their head like a wet dog.....

[seamusTX]

The cops in the older cities of the Northeast and Midwest used to have paddy wagons. A paddy wagon was essentially a small delivery truck with a secure rear compartment. The rear was nothing but corrugated stainless steel, so it could be washed out if, um, bodily fluids were expelled there.



There was a town near Chicago where the police used a modified school bus, because they routinely arrested dozens of people at bar fights.

I don't know why police forces quit using paddy wagons or some modern equivalent. Aside from the messes, I've seen quite a few incidents where prisoners in the back of a cruiser got loose, stole the vehicle, or assaulted the officers. A few even had weapons in places that escaped detection at the time of arrest. Excaliber?

- Jim

[kyreb]

Dayton, OH= Little Detroit. Not a fun place. It is on the I 75 drug corridor southbound out of the motor city.

[surprise_i'm_armed]

Dayton, OH= Little Detroit. Not a fun place. It is on the I 75 drug corridor southbound out of the motor city.

My sister-in-law and her husband used to live in Dayton, on the very northern edge of the city.

Just before their older boy was to start school, one of the cafeteria ladies was found dead
in an alley near the school. They sold their Dayton house ASAP and moved up the road to
a smaller town. Scary stuff.

SIA

[Excaliber]

The cops in the older cities of the Northeast and Midwest used to have paddy wagons. A paddy wagon was essentially a small delivery truck with a secure rear compartment. The rear was nothing but corrugated stainless steel, so it could be washed out if, um, bodily fluids were expelled there.



There was a town near Chicago where the police used a modified school bus, because they routinely arrested dozens of people at bar fights.

I don't know why police forces quit using paddy wagons or some modern equivalent. Aside from the messes, I've seen quite a few incidents where prisoners in the back of a cruiser got loose, stole the vehicle, or assaulted the officers. A few even had weapons in places that escaped detection at the time of arrest. Excaliber?

- Jim

We had one.

It was routinely used to transport groups of prisoners to and from the county jail, and was unhesitatingly deployed for transportation efficiency when numerous arrests were being made at a single location.

[gigag04]

I'd send in a request for a bond increase with the PC statement to the judge.