At a cross-roads

[ZeeMan]

(not sure this belongs here, please move if necessary)

Ok, so, I am financially unable to obtain my TX CHL at this time, I was just going through the AZ requirements and was curious as to if this would be a viable alternative until I can afford the TX class and license fees. Please advise and give you opinions

[gigag04]

Apply under the destitute provision.

[ZeeMan]

Apply under the destitute provision.

ignorant to this terminology, please advise

[cbr600]

If you're poor (like really, really poor) DPS will reduce their fee to half price. You're on your own getting a discount for the class.

[ZeeMan]

If you're poor (like really, really poor) DPS will reduce their fee to half price. You're on your own getting a discount for the class.

ah, no, we dont fall under those provisions. I have looked at the fee schedule for TX and I make about 5000 more a year than what would allow me to receive the "discounted" rate. The overall income isnt really the issue though, it's just the fact that we have more month at the end of the money rather than more money at the end of the month

So, I thought about carrying on an out of state non-res. permit until I can do some side jobs or get some OT for something to put in the kitty for safe keeping

[ScottDLS]

I'm not trying to be a smart aleck here, but if the difference between an AZ and TX license is stopping you from getting TX license, then I suggest you focus on increasing your income. When I was a younger guy I was in the Navy and made such a small amount that I couldn't "afford" a pistol. Back then there was no shall issue so a permit was out of the question. When I got promoted I bought a my first handgun (a revolver). It was $266, There are a lot of people who work hard and live on a lot less than those of us that can post on a computer internet board.

[ZeeMan]

I'm not trying to be a smart aleck here, but if the difference between an AZ and TX license is stopping you from getting TX license, then I suggest you focus on increasing your income. When I was a younger guy I was in the Navy and made such a small amount that I couldn't "afford" a pistol. Back then there was no shall issue so a permit was out of the question. When I got promoted I bought a my first handgun (a revolver). It was $266, There are a lot of people who work hard and live on a lot less than those of us that can post on a computer internet board.

starting out with "I'm not trying to be a smart aleck here, but " sure makes it sound like you are.....but anyhow. Did you ever possibly think that I am using public access internet on a public access computer?............ increasing income would be awesome if I could say MOVE to another area, but wait, that takes money too. Forget I ever asked the question, there seem to be too many elitists here.

[JCole]

It appears from handgunlaw.us, that Texas does honor the Arizona permit, and they do seem to have a non-resident permit, but I don't know if you have to go to Arizona to get it.

[brandrum]

I'm not trying to be a smart aleck here, but if the difference between an AZ and TX license is stopping you from getting TX license, then I suggest you focus on increasing your income. When I was a younger guy I was in the Navy and made such a small amount that I couldn't "afford" a pistol. Back then there was no shall issue so a permit was out of the question. When I got promoted I bought a my first handgun (a revolver). It was $266, There are a lot of people who work hard and live on a lot less than those of us that can post on a computer internet board.

starting out with "I'm not trying to be a smart aleck here, but " sure makes it sound like you are.....but anyhow. Did you ever possibly think that I am using public access internet on a public access computer?............ increasing income would be awesome if I could say MOVE to another area, but wait, that takes money too. Forget I ever asked the question, there seem to be too many elitists here.

public access internet at 11:37 p.m and again @ 8:37 a.m? hmmm anyways if you need some work in San Angelo I could probably get you some temp work by Monday.

[The Annoyed Man]

I'm not trying to be a smart aleck here, but if the difference between an AZ and TX license is stopping you from getting TX license, then I suggest you focus on increasing your income. When I was a younger guy I was in the Navy and made such a small amount that I couldn't "afford" a pistol. Back then there was no shall issue so a permit was out of the question. When I got promoted I bought a my first handgun (a revolver). It was $266, There are a lot of people who work hard and live on a lot less than those of us that can post on a computer internet board.

starting out with "I'm not trying to be a smart aleck here, but " sure makes it sound like you are.....but anyhow. Did you ever possibly think that I am using public access internet on a public access computer?............ increasing income would be awesome if I could say MOVE to another area, but wait, that takes money too. Forget I ever asked the question, there seem to be too many elitists here.

ZeeMan, JCole has answered the basic question, which I've quoted below...

It appears from handgunlaw.us, that Texas does honor the Arizona permit, and they do seem to have a non-resident permit, but I don't know if you have to go to Arizona to get it.

...but what you see as an "elitist" answer actually has overtones on this specific forum of which you, as a new member, may not be aware. I thought I would explain it briefly for your enlightenment.

There is currently a bill before the legislature that would invalidate out of state non-resident permits held by Texas residents unless that resident ALSO holds a Texas CHL. The reason that this ill-advised bill (filed by a legislator with an F rating from the NRA) even exists is that a small number of unscrupulous instructors began advertising the Utah CFP as a means of circumventing the CHL requirements. The state of Utah, fearing that they would lose reciprocity with other states if they continued to issue non-resident permits to people who could not qualify for permits in their own states, passed a new law just a couple of weeks ago which forbids Utah to issue a non-resident permit to someone who does not already hold a resident permit from their state of residence.

Please understand that I'm not judging you or your motives; but it is undeniable that this state of affairs is the direct result of people trying to get non-resident permits as a means of circumventing the permitting requirements in their states of residence - not just in Texas, but in other states too. If the trend continues, and there is no reason to believe that it won't, it is only a matter of time before Arizona and other states which previously were very easy about issuing non-resident permits begin to crack down in their own states and pass laws barring non-residents from obtaining a non-resident permit unless they already hold a resident permit from their own state.

Trying to describe this in objective terms... On this board, there is a faction of members who believe, as you do, that Texas's CHL law is somewhat elitist because A) it costs too much, and B) it makes you jump through a lot of hoops. There is also a faction (of which I confess that I'm a member) that tends to agree that the fees are too high, but that both the reaction of out of state legislatures and the filing of the above mentioned bill in Texas were utterly predictable reactions to peoples' attempts to circumvent state law and to circumevent the intent of the legislature in passing that law. It has become a kind of "I told you so" moment.

I think that we can all agree that anytime a state passes a law which further restricts a citizen's right to keep and bear arms, that is generally a bad thing - particularly when that law further removes the exercise of that right from people who are less able to afford all the hoops you have to jump through. So when that new law is a direct result of people trying to "cheat" their way past the legislative intent, it doesn't get by without comment. The comments you've received that were not supportive of what you are trying to accomplish are resting on the history I've described above.

In the meantime, if you have more month than money left when the bills are paid, have you looked at ways that you can trim your budget a small amount each month so that you can accumulate some "put aside" money each month toward the cost of the CHL license and the class? Or must you have instant gratification? Are you currently spending money ONLY on things you absolutely cannot do without? Do you go to movies? Rent/buy video games? Drive a gas-guzzler? Drink alcoholic beverages? Etc., etc. These are all things that come under the heading of "luxuries" if you are on a shoestring budget. I would advise you to take a long hard honest and unflinching look at your monthly expenses to see where you could cut back or get rid of entirely those expenses that aren't absolutely essential. You might very well be able to pay for your CHL license and class out of the money you save there. I would also strongly urge you to to attend some financial counseling seminars like Crown Financial, or Dave Ramsey's Financial Peace University. Make your financial plan into two parts. Part One is the things you do to improve the look of what you already have. Part Two is what you do to improve your future earnings.

That's not elitism. That's just sound advice... the same advice I would share with my own son. If you can't afford something, don't complain. Instead, get about doing whatever you have to do so you can afford it.

[Westfield]

The advice given to you here is quite good. By the tenor of your posts you seem quite young and used to getting and wanting things now. Expense is relative but the class and permit application are really not that expensive. If you can't afford those then I don't think you can afford range time to be a safe and accurate shooter let alone buying ammunition to practice with. Take a deep breath, slow down and work on your present financial situation then when you can afford it by all means take the class and apply for your permit.

[Grog]

Expense is relative but the class and permit application are really not that expensive. If you can't afford those then I don't think you can afford range time to be a safe and accurate shooter let alone buying ammunition to practice with.

It's possible that he shoots on a piece of land for free and has stocked ammo when it was cheaper.


Sending lots of rounds downrange every month ≠ being a safe and accurate shooter.

[Rebel]

(not sure this belongs here, please move if necessary)

I'm just going to address your question.

Ok, so, I am financially unable to obtain my TX CHL at this time, I was just going through the AZ requirements and was curious as to if this would be a viable alternative until I can afford the TX class and license fees. Please advise and give you opinions

If you can't afford the Texas CHL, your not going to be able to afford the Arizona CCW. You have to take the AZ class in AZ. Don't know where you are located but even if you are in El Paso, thats at least a drive to Tucson for a class. So add in drive,food,gas and possibly lodging and your already passing what it would cost you to just take the Texas CHL.

Arizona CCW= $60 + class $80-$100 + expenses(if your close and cheap around $100) = $240 cheapest.

Texas CHL= $140 + Class $100 = $240

Like others have mentioned, if you really want it you need to prioritize.

EDIT- Just saw you are in San Angelo. Arizona CCW is not even a consideration for you.

[jamisjockey]

The advice given to you here is quite good. By the tenor of your posts you seem quite young and used to getting and wanting things now. Expense is relative but the class and permit application are really not that expensive. If you can't afford those then I don't think you can afford range time to be a safe and accurate shooter let alone buying ammunition to practice with. Take a deep breath, slow down and work on your present financial situation then when you can afford it by all means take the class and apply for your permit.

Because people who don't spend $$$$$$ on range time and ammo don't have a right to be able to defend themselves?

Arizona CCW= $60 + class $80-$100 + expenses(if your close and cheap around $100) = $240 cheapest.

Texas CHL= $140 + Class $100 = $240

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Doesn't look like the AZ class will save you anything.

[pcgizzmo]

I have some work I need done around my house. I will pay you $300 to come do it. That should cover your 4 hour drive time (Gas) and 100 for the class and $150 for the license.