Chuck E Cheese in San Antonio is posted.

[Oldgringo]

I can't help but wonder if some CHL's letter caused/helped this to happen. I sincerely hope that a memo isn't going out to all the locations from corporate instructing them to and how to make their signs compliant.

I sincerely worry that compliant signs might start popping up everywhere once business owners learn that their signs need to be posted in a specific way. Let's not help the other side.

Embalmo

One mo' time:

Enbalmo's concerns are real and they are germane to CC in Texas.

A CHL is not a Batman License nor is it any kind of crusader's badge that demands the posters of non compliant 30.06 signs be righteously notified of their invalid signs by new or old or any Texas CH licensees. Let's let sleeping dogs lie, mind our own business and go on about our rounds secure in the knowledge that we are legal and we know what we're about even if those around us haven't a clue.

[Katygunnut]

I can't help but wonder if some CHL's letter caused/helped this to happen. I sincerely hope that a memo isn't going out to all the locations from corporate instructing them to and how to make their signs compliant.

I sincerely worry that compliant signs might start popping up everywhere once business owners learn that their signs need to be posted in a specific way. Let's not help the other side.

Embalmo

One mo' time:

Enbalmo's concerns are real and they are germane to CC in Texas.

A CHL is not a Batman License nor is it any kind of crusader's badge that demands the posters of non compliant 30.06 signs be righteously notified of their invalid signs by new or old or any Texas CH licensees. Let's let sleeping dogs lie, mind our own business and go on about our rounds secure in the knowledge that we are legal and we know what we're about even if those around us haven't a clue.

I completely agree that no one in their right mind should tell a business that their signage is not compliant. I don't know if that happened in this case.

I also don't see any logical way that a business will figure out that their sign is not compliant by a CHL holder telling them that the sign is keeping the CHL holder from carrying in that establishment. If anything this would only reinforce the business owner's mistaken belief that their sign is legit.

We will probably just need to agree to disagree on this point.

[Oldgringo]

...We will probably just need to agree to disagree on this point.

ALARUM! (that's latin)

Dear Sir,

Whilst I take no exception to your use of the to signal an impasse in our conversation, there are those on this forum who consider use of that forum provided emoticon to signal ridicule and be the height of rude behavior.

Please know that I bear you no ill will and I respect your suggestion of a checkmate in our discussion. You are certainly as entitled to your position as I am to mine and neither of us have the obligation to bore others with a prolonged reiteration of that what as been said many times before.

Good day to you Sir, and God speed.

(Who said I didn't have any manners?)

[terryg]

ALARUM! (that's latin)

Dear Sir,
Whilst I take no exception to your use of the to signal an impasse in our conversation, there are those on this forum who consider use of that forum provided emoticon to signal ridicule and be the height of rude behavior.

Ahhhh but you see, Mr. OG, there is a tremendous difference here. The kind sir, Mr. Gunnut, from the Katy region of Texas offered up the dead horse in his own posting. He was accusing no one of taking the argument too far but was rather suggesting that he would attempt to stop himself before this might occur. The gentleman from Katy did not, in fact, choose to interject his horse carcass into a discussion currently being carried out by others - but instead he shew his animated equus ferus caballus (that's the Latin classification for horse) icon within a thread of which he was the active participant.

Nor, and perhaps this is more pertinent, did he preface his horse carrion with a long {sigh} or the slow roll of the oculi (that's Latin for eyes) universally understood to convey contempt. I have not heard (nor read) anyone posit that there is no appropriate usage of such animated gif icons - only that some have unfortunately chosen to use them for divisive purposes.

[Oldgringo]

ALARUM! (that's latin)

Dear Sir,
Whilst I take no exception to your use of the to signal an impasse in our conversation, there are those on this forum who consider use of that forum provided emoticon to signal ridicule and be the height of rude behavior.

Ahhhh but you see, Mr. OG, there is a tremendous difference here. The kind sir, Mr. Gunnut, from the Katy region of Texas offered up the dead horse in his own posting. He was accusing no one of taking the argument too far but was rather suggesting that he would attempt to stop himself before this might occur. The gentleman from Katy did not, in fact, choose to interject his horse carcass into a discussion currently being carried out by others - but instead he shew his animated equus ferus caballus (that's the Latin classification for horse) icon within a thread of which he was the active participant.

Nor, and perhaps this is more pertinent, did he preface his horse carrion with a long {sigh} or the slow roll of the oculi (that's Latin for eyes) universally understood to convey contempt. I have not heard (nor read) anyone posit that there is no appropriate usage of such animated gif icons - only that some have unfortunately chosen to use them for divisive purposes.

I figured that would draw you out.

Aye, there is indeed one major difference - at the very least. I not would presume to speak for Mr. Gunnut but I certainly do not hold myself to be the last word on anything. You see, the import of my words or thought are meaningless in the greater scheme of things. I've reached a point in my life where I am okay with that and have nothing to prove...to nobody.

Don't let the thing get to you, it passes with time. ITMT, I think it is a cute gesture which was frequently employed by my dear departed Mother and is frequently seen from my beloved current wife. It is provided by the forum for our use herein. It's really no big deal unless...it's a big deal?

Frankly, I find the and the emoticons to be more distasteful. Dancing and drinking leads to....well,...you know.

Later,

[68Charger]

[terryg]

[img]

Now that is a emoticon.

Aye, there is indeed one major difference - at the very least. I not would presume to speak for Mr. Gunnut but I certainly do not hold myself to be the last word on anything. You see, the import of my words or thought are meaningless in the greater scheme of things. I've reached a point in my life where I am okay with that and have nothing to prove...to nobody.

But there is the rub, isn't it? The presumption in your statement is that the desire is for one way communication. That one must have something 'to prove' or assume that they are 'the last word' on a topic. But you see, in a healthy conversation, especially if two parties are on opposite sides of an issue, the greatest thing that can be gained is mutual understanding. And the best way to accomplish this is to strive to clearly articulate yourself and your position. If both parties do this well, much is accomplished.

If you read my postings when I am going back and forth with someone. It is true that I do work very hard to express my point of view. But I also work just as hard to understand the opposing point of view. I ask directed questions to help get to the bottom of it. So you may attempt to simply dismiss it as pride and an effort to dominate, but that would be dishonest, wouldn't it?

And actually, contrary to your assertions, you have reached a point in your life where you should be able to (and in some postings do) offer valuable input based upon your life experiences. Yet you chose to minimize that role here and state that you 'have nothing to prove'. But the real question isn't if the OldGringo has anything to prove or even anything to share; but rather does he also have nothing to learn?

Because that would be the most prideful position of all and because that is what discussions are about in the end - learning ...

[longtooth]

Gentlemen,
though there is no personal attacks that are flagrant your sarcasm is evident.
Please consider taking your arguments to PM & then you can both pull the gloves off.
LT

[Oldgringo]

You are right and thank you, LT.

terryg can have the last words.

[Westfield]

Well...Look at the bright side...Chuck E Cheese is a breeding ground for all sorts of nasty colds, viruses, etc....(ask me how I know)..One less likely place to get sick ! Also, there have been quite a few fights breaking out at Chucky across the country between some idiot parents...Just a place to avoid and I don't go where my 2a rights are not honored...

[jamisjockey]

This one goes around again.

With what, over 400,000 CHL holders in the state of Texas, I'd like to believe that we carry enough economic power to be able to persaude an establishment to pull down their sign.

I consider the argument that sending a letter informing an establishment that is improperly posted a letter (which doesn't tell them their posting is improper, only that NO CHL = NO MONEY) will magically make them research the statutes and correct their ways to be ridiculous.

And how does it make sense to give your money to an establishment that believes that despite an FBI and DPS background check, you're somehow the badguy? The sign being improper is only legal semantics, because the intent of the business is quite clear IMHO.

Political activisim does have the power to sway business policy. Liberals do it all the time. Its about time we fight fire with fire.

[Embalmo]

This one goes around again.

With what, over 400,000 CHL holders in the state of Texas, I'd like to believe that we carry enough economic power to be able to persaude an establishment to pull down their sign.

I consider the argument that sending a letter informing an establishment that is improperly posted a letter (which doesn't tell them their posting is improper, only that NO CHL = NO MONEY) will magically make them research the statutes and correct their ways to be ridiculous.

And how does it make sense to give your money to an establishment that believes that despite an FBI and DPS background check, you're somehow the badguy? The sign being improper is only legal semantics, because the intent of the business is quite clear IMHO.

Political activisim does have the power to sway business policy. Liberals do it all the time. Its about time we fight fire with fire.

I would completely agree if it were about compliant 30.06 signs, but what you're talking about rattling the cage of an establishment that isn't keeping you out. Apart from the feel-good, "I guess I gave them a piece of my mind" feeling, nothing is accomplished. When all the Chuck E. Cheeses start posting compliant signs after CHLs start bothering them, do you think it's going to be a coincidence.

These bone-heads cannot be reasoned with, they think they are doing the Lord's work by posting those anti-gun signs. A couple of angry, threatening letters is just enough to make a business owner do a quick Google of TX CHL laws to find out that their signs aren't compliant; which what I suspect happened here.

We all need to realize that CHL is NOT about being annoyed by people's attitudes, it is about being able to legally carry a weapon for the purpose of self defense in as many places as possible. Do we, or do we not want to continue to carry handguns in public places? There is nothing that should make us care if a gunbuster sign is removed.

Embalmo

[Embalmo]

Well...Look at the bright side...Chuck E Cheese is a breeding ground for all sorts of nasty colds, viruses, etc....(ask me how I know)..One less likely place to get sick ! Also, there have been quite a few fights breaking out at Chucky across the country between some idiot parents...Just a place to avoid and I don't go where my 2a rights are not honored...

There is never a bright side to the creation of another "gun free" zone. Compliant signs at Chuck E. Cheese could start a trend like when McDonald's first posted "no smoking" signs and every other fast food restaurant followed suit. Never have I heard of a better example of "cutting one's nose off to spite their face".

You may not like Chuck E. Cheese, but watch out, you might see a 30.06 sign posted at at places that you do like.

Embalmo

[Pacifist]

You may not like Chuck E. Cheese, but watch out, you might see a 30.06 sign posted at at places that you do like.

And that is the exact moment in which they stop receiving any monetary support from me.

I still simply cannot understand why it is you seem so desirous, nee compelled, to support a business, any business, that informs you, via whatever means that it has no respect for your right to defend yourself and/or your family.

[Oldgringo]

You may not like Chuck E. Cheese, but watch out, you might see a 30.06 sign posted at at places that you do like.

And that is the exact moment in which they stop receiving any monetary support from me.

I still simply cannot understand why it is you seem so desirous, nee compelled, to support a business, any business, that informs you, via whatever means that it has no respect for your right to defend yourself and/or your family.