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Re: False accusation...

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NavAir wrote:
Oldgringo wrote:
NavAir wrote:I have had a few instances of road rage directed at me. What I do is take out my cell phone and make sure the other driver sees it. I did actually dial 911 once, because the other driver hit another car and was getting ready to leave the scene, but otherwise don't call. It puts the other driver on notice, and he assumes that the police have been called.
Why not call?
For flippin' me the bird? I think my routine will de-escalate, without excessive "nuisance" calls to 911.


It is disorderly conduct, and tends to incite an immediate "breach of the peace".
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Re: False accusation...

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Some interesting food for thought in this incident...
I find myself much less likely to be confrontational about anything when I'm carrying.
This is just another good reason why...

I wish your friend good luck fighting this...
I think it comes down to word against word with a simple coincidence on the gun matching the lie.
Unless there's some corroborating evidence either way, I'd bet it winds up nothing more than an expensive lesson on minding your temper.
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I guess this is a good reason to have a pink gun (shudders), because then all the cops have to do, is ask the "victim" what color was the gun? If it was "big, black and scary," then they're lying.
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Re: False accusation...

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steve817 wrote:
NavAir wrote:For flippin' me the bird? I think my routine will de-escalate, without excessive "nuisance" calls to 911.


It is disorderly conduct, and ends to incite an immediate "breach of the peace".
Are you sure you're not talking about politicians proposing to violate human rights by infringing RKBA?

That's much more offensive than the one finger salute and historically it has contributed to actual warfare. (e.g. the shot heard around the world.)
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Re: False accusation...

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Seabear wrote:I was reading the road rage thread and remembered that I hadn't posted this story.

Recently a friend of mine told me about a bad situation his nephew is in. Seems he was riding his motorcyle to or from work and a lady cut him off nearly hitting him. He watched her go ahead and nearly swipe another unrelated MC. The second ridder flipped her off and sped away. When they came to the next stop light my friends nephew yelled at the lady telling her she nearly hit him and the other rider and that she needed to pay attention. The light turned green and he took off. Next thing he knows this lady is tailgating him. He speeds up and gets away from her. When he gets home 3 police officers show up and say that the lady had called in and said that he waived a pistol at her and threatened her. As it turns out he has a CHL and was carrying. He explained to the police what happened and that he in no way would have done that and risk loosing his CHL and his job for which he has to have top security clearance. 2 officers believed him and felt the lady was lying, but one didn't believe him. Now he has a little legal battle to deal with.

It mad me realize just how easy a CHLer could be falsely accused and when checked, sure enough, there is a gun. Hmmm, how you gonna get out of that one?

I read about another case like this (I think it was in a book by Massad Ayoob) where a driver (probably a lefty) saw an NRA sticker on another vehicle and accused its driver of waving a gun. As I remember, it cost him $50,000 in legal fees.
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Re: False accusation...

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This hasn't gone to court yet , so no new information.

I keep thinking though how easy it would be to be falsely accused. The more I think about it the more I am liking the sound of Duracoating my carry gun bright orange or hot pink like mentioned above. The accuser would never guess the color, and it might nip it right there.

I'll have to think some more on it, not sure I can do it. LOL I would hate look like a :biggrinjester:
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Seabear wrote:I keep thinking though how easy it would be to be falsely accused. The more I think about it the more I am liking the sound of Duracoating my carry gun bright orange or hot pink like mentioned above. The accuser would never guess the color, and it might nip it right there.
I was thinking of a lime green stripe that would be hidden by a holster, but impossible to miss if the gun is out. Perfect for open carry states.

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Re: False accusation...

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KD5NRH wrote:
Seabear wrote:I keep thinking though how easy it would be to be falsely accused. The more I think about it the more I am liking the sound of Duracoating my carry gun bright orange or hot pink like mentioned above. The accuser would never guess the color, and it might nip it right there.
I was thinking of a lime green stripe that would be hidden by a holster, but impossible to miss if the gun is out. Perfect for open carry states.
I like that idea too. Of course once we all start doing that then accusers will start throwing out wild colors. LOL

Ok, I think my LCP could go completely a new color and larger guns like you said with a stripe. Of course, that might make LEOs think we are trying to make it look like a toy. :headscratch
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Seabear wrote:
KD5NRH wrote:
Seabear wrote:I keep thinking though how easy it would be to be falsely accused. The more I think about it the more I am liking the sound of Duracoating my carry gun bright orange or hot pink like mentioned above. The accuser would never guess the color, and it might nip it right there.
I was thinking of a lime green stripe that would be hidden by a holster, but impossible to miss if the gun is out. Perfect for open carry states.
I like that idea too. Of course once we all start doing that then accusers will start throwing out wild colors. LOL

Ok, I think my LCP could go completely a new color and larger guns like you said with a stripe. Of course, that might make LEOs think we are trying to make it look like a toy. :headscratch
The stripe is a good idea for open carry states if you are willing to do that to your gun. I doubt a color stripe would make any reasonable person think it is a toy gun (the whole gun colored, yes, but not a stripe). Of course I can't educate a guess as to what an unreasonable person would think.
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If you don't like rainbow guns, another solution is to be the first to call 911.

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Any updates?
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Shorts wrote:
Bullwhip wrote:Pretty hard to draw a pistol, wave it around, and re-holster while riding a motorcycle.

I'd ask her what hand "the guy waved at gun" at her with. Likely he flipped her off with the left hand. Hopefully your buddy is a right hander and carries on the right side. Otherwise it's a pretty good circus trick to draw with the left hand from a right hand holster while riding down the road..
it would be a pretty neat trick to draw from the right side with your right hand and keep going at the same pace as the car with your hand off the accelerator also :mrgreen:

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zero4o3 wrote:it would be a pretty neat trick to draw from the right side with your right hand and keep going at the same pace as the car with your hand off the accelerator also :mrgreen:
Motorcycles have had cruise control for a couple of decades. :leaving

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RottenApple wrote:
zero4o3 wrote:it would be a pretty neat trick to draw from the right side with your right hand and keep going at the same pace as the car with your hand off the accelerator also :mrgreen:
Motorcycles have had cruise control for a couple of decades. :leaving
not any that I have ever been on :tiphat: guess maybe if he was on a gold wing.....
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