Gunman dead after opening fire at Florida school meeting

[A-R]

Whats with the VIDEO. I can't find a decent copy with the whole thing on tape?

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[Texas Size 11]

Wow...that's pretty close to where I used to live down there.

[RPB]

I guess in Florida, they don't teach the "textbook throwing defense" or else they were unarmed (without textbooks) at that meeting.

Which reminds me; I need to go to the book store .... Excuse me ...which way to the Kevlar Book Covers? Got any in "Hello Kitty"?

[A-R]

Here we go ....

How was this guy allowed to have a gun again?

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This was not the first time Duke fired a gun at someone.

Ben Bollinger represented Duke when he was convicted in 1999 of shooting into a vehicle, aggravated stalking and wearing a bulletproof vest. Duke was sentenced to five years in prison on each count and his sentences were served concurrently. As part of a plea agreement, Duke was required to complete psychological counseling.

Bollinger said Tuesday that Duke was waiting in the woods for his wife with a rifle, wearing a mask and a bulletproof vest. She confronted him and then tried to leave in a vehicle, and Duke shot the tires of the vehicle.

“The guy was like, just out there,” Bollinger said. “He had some bad problems.”

In January 2009, Duke wrote a letter to Circuit Judge Dedee Costello, stating he had come before her in 1999 and 2000, “as a mentally ill man who had committed crimes. … While in prison I was diagnosed as ‘adult-onset bipolar condition’ and given proper therapy. With that therapy and good behavior, I was released from prison after serving 85 percent of my sentence.”

He went on to ask Costello to terminate his probation early.

Looks like Uncle Ted got his wish the hard way on the second go-round

I don't like repeat offenders, I like dead offenders.

[puma guy]

Here we go ....

How was this guy allowed to have a gun again?

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This was not the first time Duke fired a gun at someone.

Ben Bollinger represented Duke when he was convicted in 1999 of shooting into a vehicle, aggravated stalking and wearing a bulletproof vest. Duke was sentenced to five years in prison on each count and his sentences were served concurrently. As part of a plea agreement, Duke was required to complete psychological counseling.

Bollinger said Tuesday that Duke was waiting in the woods for his wife with a rifle, wearing a mask and a bulletproof vest. She confronted him and then tried to leave in a vehicle, and Duke shot the tires of the vehicle.

“The guy was like, just out there,” Bollinger said. “He had some bad problems.”


In January 2009, Duke wrote a letter to Circuit Judge Dedee Costello, stating he had come before her in 1999 and 2000, “as a mentally ill man who had committed crimes. … While in prison I was diagnosed as ‘adult-onset bipolar condition’ and given proper therapy. With that therapy and good behavior, I was released from prison after serving 85 percent of my sentence.”

He went on to ask Costello to terminate his probation early.

Looks like Uncle Ted got his wish the hard way on the second go-round

I don't like repeat offenders, I like dead offenders.

Since he's a convicted felon, I wonder when and where he purchased the weapon. I doubt it was from an FFL, but the BG check is bound to come under scrutiny if somehow he purchased through normal channels. Hopefully the purchase was not legitimate. Someone will be looking at it for sure.
It is simply amazing to me when you see the papers fly up in front of the superintendent that he wasn't struck. As for the woman, while it was brave, definitley foolhardy, the better thing to have done would be alert the security guard. Ofcourse hindsight is a perfect science. I nickname the supt "Cool Hand Luke". I know what it's like to be unarmed and have a pistol pointed at you, twice in my lifetime; both inches from my face. Until it occurs you have no idea how you'd react.

[powerboatr]

I cant believe not a man in the place took advantage of the opportunity she gave them.

The problem on these types of situations is shock. Most people are just dumbfounded and are like sitting ducks not thinking or realizing what is about to come next.

That is where a little tactical and self defense training and thinking on your feet (or in this case butt) comes into play.

Very correct. They did nothing because that is what they had traind themselves to do. Nothing
I tell my students when the adrenaline dumps you will not "rise to the occasion." You will immediately be reduced to you your every day level of constant training. If you have trained yourself to do nothing that is exactly what you will do. Nothing.

I agree with the do nothing and assess the situation. Sunday i was in situation that pitted 50 plus men against an outsider that was clearly off his meds. he was unarmed....however no one knew that at the time. some jumped up immediately to verbally confront the outsider....to no avail.
while some of us clearly let our training stand in for the flight or fight response. we uncollectivley took account of the situation and then without knowing what each other would do, we acted collectively to oust this person from our midst, with no harm from him or to our selves

what i find amazing in the panama city shooting was the rounds that were put into the man with gun, seemed to now do any immediate damage
9mm hollow points i would think would have taken him off his legs, since it showed two leg shots i think. do we know what type of weapon the guards had that shot him?
oh one more tidbit the man with gun, didnt have trigger control, he let off a round from nervy fingers after he shot at the guy behind the table

[A-R]

do we know what type of weapon the guards had that shot him?

I read in one of the local newspaper's articles (perhaps it was the one I posted above?) that the guard fired at the gunman with a .40-caliber handgun.

[tfrazier]

Best copy of the video I found all the way up to just before he caps himself is at the bottom of my article, Florida Schoolboard Shooting Illustrates How Gun Laws Serve to Disarm Only the Good Guys

It's a shame that best weapon on any of the victims in the room was a purse. The gal was courageous and stupid...but if it had worked I'd probably be saying she was courageous and brilliant.

[Dave2]

what i find amazing in the panama city shooting was the rounds that were put into the man with gun, seemed to now do any immediate damage
9mm hollow points i would think would have taken him off his legs, since it showed two leg shots i think. do we know what type of weapon the guards had that shot him?

Oh thank you so much for pointing that out! Now I need that P220! That was close... I almost had to buy it just for fun, and the fun budget is running low.

[Dave2]

Best copy of the video I found all the way up to just before he caps himself is at the bottom of my article, Florida Schoolboard Shooting Illustrates How Gun Laws Serve to Disarm Only the Good Guys

It's a shame that best weapon on any of the victims in the room was a purse. The gal was courageous and stupid...but if it had worked I'd probably be saying she was courageous and brilliant.

Yeah, it's like that fine line between genius and insanity.

[Excaliber]

After watching the videos several times, I believe the shooter here started the incident with the intent of committing suicide by cop. It clearly wasn't a typical active shooter incident where the offender tries to rack up the highest possible body count in the time he has before someone stops him. He didn't even shoot the woman who tried to knock the gun out of his hand, and he allowed her to escape.

He may have tried to shoot the superintendent and simply missed, (his gun handling skills were pretty sloppy) but it looks like his other shots were wild and not aimed at particular people, suggesting that his intent was to invite a deadly force response against himself. When he realized that the shot that felled him wasn't deadly, he took his own life rather than surrender.

This looks like another sad case of someone with serious mental problems dealing with his inner demons by setting up his own death.

[Excaliber]

I cant believe not a man in the place took advantage of the opportunity she gave them.

The problem on these types of situations is shock. Most people are just dumbfounded and are like sitting ducks not thinking or realizing what is about to come next.

That is where a little tactical and self defense training and thinking on your feet (or in this case butt) comes into play.

Very correct. They did nothing because that is what they had traind themselves to do. Nothing
I tell my students when the adrenaline dumps you will not "rise to the occasion." You will immediately be reduced to you your every day level of constant training. If you have trained yourself to do nothing that is exactly what you will do. Nothing.

I agree with the do nothing and assess the situation. Sunday i was in situation that pitted 50 plus men against an outsider that was clearly off his meds. he was unarmed....however no one knew that at the time. some jumped up immediately to verbally confront the outsider....to no avail.
while some of us clearly let our training stand in for the flight or fight response. we uncollectivley took account of the situation and then without knowing what each other would do, we acted collectively to oust this person from our midst, with no harm from him or to our selves

what i find amazing in the panama city shooting was the rounds that were put into the man with gun, seemed to now do any immediate damage
9mm hollow points i would think would have taken him off his legs, since it showed two leg shots i think. do we know what type of weapon the guards had that shot him?
oh one more tidbit the man with gun, didnt have trigger control, he let off a round from nervy fingers after he shot at the guy behind the table

What you saw in the video is a very typical response to a gunshot wound that doesn't shatter a skeletal support structure or strike the central nervous system.

Real life isn't like the movies, and there are no magic bullets. The initial round to the leg was reportedly a .40 caliber, and the school security director who fired it is an ex-LEO, so you can bet it was a hollow point. A 9mm hollow point in the same spot would virtually certainly have produced an identical result.

This reality is the reason why police officers are trained to fire until the threat is no longer a threat, whatever that may take - and sometimes it takes quite a lot, especially with a big guy like the suspect in this case.

This case is another reminder of why I won't let myself buy one of those cute, light, easy to carry .380's. If I had one, I'd get lazy and carry it instead of one of those other big heavy guns. If I carried it and had to use it, barring an extraordinarily lucky shot, the wounds it could inflict would be unlikely to slow down someone who was trying to kill me until well after it wouldn't matter to me anymore.

Without that temptation, I just dress around my .45's, and don't harbor any illusions about those bullets carrying any magic either.

[RPB]

while looking through all the videos; I saw one I can't find again; video AFTER the event, where the retired LEO/head of school security, (Mike Jones) who actually shot the criminal, was walking, armed.


video was people consoling Mike Jones ...
There was a comment:

Don't know if Mike Jones attended the meeting armed, or ran to his car and got his gun ...

But others say Karen Tucker went to the information office and got them to call security chief and former School Board member Mike Jones,"who came running down and into the board room and then there were shots fired," she said.
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[Bob in Big D]

Interesting video ... much to ponder here. As to that 'brave' woman with a purse, it it were I, I would have made sure that I had my CHL license with me and my Kimber 45 on my belt and I would have run away from that meeting room as fast as my little feet would move me and called 911 once I am out of the building and behind a big tree.

It is not my job to be police, or arbiter of arguments ... my job is to defend my life (and the lives of my loved ones) only. Anyway ... my 2 cents worth.

Couldn't agree more!!! Besides, I am too old and out of shape for that Batman suite to fit.

[Poldark]

Very fortunate folk.

I wonder if the guy was on some meds as he seems to rock back on his heels just as he fires his first shot ? Thankfully the outcome was better than it first looked.