Maybe this will make you feel better:ExMarlboroMan wrote:Some of the LEO and MIL folks will drop their faces and follow orders, It's already happened in LA. , New Orleans to be exact. I'd like to think as Texans and as AMERICANS our armed forces (LEO's and MILITARY) would not follow orders to disarm civilians or shoot upon them for not disarming but who knows.
Depending on your perspective, the Oath Keepers are either strident defenders of liberty or dangerous peddlers of paranoia.
In the age of town halls, talk radio and tea parties, middle ground of opinion is hard to find.
Launched in March by Las Vegan Stewart Rhodes, Oath Keepers bills itself as a nonpartisan group of current and retired law enforcement and military personnel who vow to fulfill their oaths to the Constitution.
More at the link above.
He hasn't done anything and he might never, but him and some of those he keeps company with have expressed their opinions about the public having guns and their desire to restrict ownership. Sort of like a domestic arms reduction law. It's a lot like all the talk about wealth redistribution.loadedliberal wrote:I have to say seeing a post like this makes me seriously question peoples intelligence and critical thinking ability. The paranoia of "obamas gonna take our guns" is the same that was heard during the Clinton administration. The President had so far done nothing to limit gun right in fact he said he supported the recent supreme court descion that overturned DCs gun ban. The arguments are counterproductive and damage the credibly of the people making the who I believe are good, albeit misguided people.
loadedliberal wrote:I have to say seeing a post like this makes me seriously question peoples intelligence and critical thinking ability. The paranoia of "obamas gonna take our guns" is the same that was heard during the Clinton administration. The President had so far done nothing to limit gun right in fact he said he supported the recent supreme court descion that overturned DCs gun ban. The arguments are counterproductive and damage the credibly of the people making the who I believe are good, albeit misguided people.
I have to say seeing a post like this makes me seriously question peoples intelligence and critical thinking ability.
The same Clinton administration that passed the 1994 "assault" weapons ban under a democratic congress, which, fortunately expired in 04' and was NOT renewed despite the best efforts of democratic/Leninist senator Feinstein from the peoples republic of Kalifornia.The paranoia of "obamas gonna take our guns" is the same that was heard during the Clinton administration.
There is nothing misguided about monitoring the individuals who are empowered to pass legislation that can effect our culture, our way of life, rights, and our very freedom as citizens and a nation.The arguments are counterproductive and damage the credibly of the people making the who I believe are good, albeit misguided people.
This is not quite correct. ERCOT does import/export power to other grids across DC tie lines (see this doc for details, there's a DC tie at Oklaunion):The Annoyed Man wrote:I was watching a TV show either on Discovery or NatGeo a while back about power generation in the US. What I found interesting was that they showed a picture taken from space which depicted North America's power generation and distribution grid. Virtually the entire country shares power back and forth with Canada. The lone exception was Texas - which is apparently energy self-supporting, and neither imports nor exports electricity between itself and the rest of the nation. With the exception of part of the panhandle, you can see in the image below that Texas is energy independent. (The website I got this image from thinks this is wrong and advocates forcing Texas to come into the national grid.)
...when I was an LEO in the 70s, we were taught that the Federal government could come in in an "emergency" and make all law enforcement federally authorized and controlled...and there were those of us THEN who said that we'd quit if that ever happened...there are still a lot who would...there are legal ways the feds can do it...but there will be more resistance than they've ever dreamed...some Americans will still die for their rights...and some feel like Patton...but I can't quote that here...'cause Patton talked nastyJP171 wrote:I wont say it can't happen here, I will say that it is most very unlikely to happen here, there are laws that prevent the actions by the federal military that cover this very thing, the N.O. thing was NOT federal military( it was Lousianna national guard) the Nat. Guard is under the direction of the Governor of the state NOT the Federal govt, when a NG unit is called up by the Fed a formal request is made to the GOVERNOR and the Governor has the ability to refuse(never happend but can) I do agree though that most of the people who are in the federal military service do not know about the laws and what comstitutes a legal or illegal order and the current administration isn't going to tell them. as far as police comming from other states to Tx and attempting to disarm us it is also in the realm of fantasy, other law enforcement officers from other states have no acutal legal authority in texas although texas currently plays nice and gives them the benefit of the doubt, but on the orders of the Governor of Texas that can stop just that fast, also most of the Texas National Guard and State Guard would refuse Orders to confiscate weapons of Texas Citizens, and Texas does make sure that the Guardsmen are familiar with the UCJM,TCMJ, Hague and Geneva conventions and what does or does not constitute a lawfull order.
speedsix wrote:...when I was an LEO in the 70s, we were taught that the Federal government could come in in an "emergency" and make all law enforcement federally authorized and controlled...and there were those of us THEN who said that we'd quit if that ever happened...there are still a lot who would...there are legal ways the feds can do it...but there will be more resistance than they've ever dreamed...some Americans will still die for their rights...and some feel like Patton...but I can't quote that here...'cause Patton talked nastyJP171 wrote:I wont say it can't happen here, I will say that it is most very unlikely to happen here, there are laws that prevent the actions by the federal military that cover this very thing, the N.O. thing was NOT federal military( it was Lousianna national guard) the Nat. Guard is under the direction of the Governor of the state NOT the Federal govt, when a NG unit is called up by the Fed a formal request is made to the GOVERNOR and the Governor has the ability to refuse(never happend but can) I do agree though that most of the people who are in the federal military service do not know about the laws and what comstitutes a legal or illegal order and the current administration isn't going to tell them. as far as police comming from other states to Tx and attempting to disarm us it is also in the realm of fantasy, other law enforcement officers from other states have no acutal legal authority in texas although texas currently plays nice and gives them the benefit of the doubt, but on the orders of the Governor of Texas that can stop just that fast, also most of the Texas National Guard and State Guard would refuse Orders to confiscate weapons of Texas Citizens, and Texas does make sure that the Guardsmen are familiar with the UCJM,TCMJ, Hague and Geneva conventions and what does or does not constitute a lawfull order.
