TX rep to author OC

[blue]

Heartland Patriot you are not alone! It is very, very hard to wrap one's head around all of it.

I do not see any reason to not join AK, AZ, and others in OC and Constitutional IMMEDIATELY!
Seems like all we see in TEXAS is, heels dug in deep, opposition.
(WHY NOT??? WORKING GREAT ELSEWHERE??)

What we have now has so many black holes, grey areas, and land mines BUILT IN that carefully starting new would dump completely. (Utah - carry at schools, for instance)
Looks like, MANY YEARS from now, we will still have a CHL system built of nothing but bandaids and tire patches with the same old black holes, grey areas, and land mines still built in. SAD!.


-Many Thanks to Patterson, Hupp, and all the others who got us this far, but cannot we step on up closer to the 2nd., after this long and with such a fine record? If not, then then WHEN???


Just a wild guess (IANAL)but to clear one's record after a "Handog/Roundrock" must cost many, many Thousands of dollars, and take years. Of course with the usual possible that it "cannot be done" AFTER all is spent.

Regards to ALL,
Blue

[Charles L. Cotton]

What we have now has so many black holes, grey areas, and land mines BUILT IN that carefully starting new would dump completely.

Please list them for us.

Chas.

[Matthew2000tx]

My biggest problem with the whole OC thing is that I'm not sure how its passage would affect someone like me who wants my weapon to remain concealed. I have zero desire to openly carry and can't get behind a bill that may require me to do so if I choose to carry at all.

.....However, I would rather have more freedom to CC than the right to OC returned and lose some of our CC rights.

Well said.

when I am convinced that there will not be a major increase of "posted" businesses and properties in the State due to the emergence of open carry, I too will support it. In the current socio-political climate I don't see that happening. Out of sight - out of mind.


surv

I agree. People will just say I don't want to see guns in my neighborhood and if OC passes you bet you bottoms that more 30.06 signs will be plastered up on storefront windows! Looks like we need to watch this... and buy stock in 30.06 signs With my CHL I'm free to stroll into a store and out carrying concealed and nobody needs to know that I have a gun... they don't panic... nothing... but as soon as the first OC person strolls into that same store you bet the owner/workers might go out and by a 30.06 sign because it makes their other clients uneasy. Don't get me started... it's like the assult weapon ban... it's scary so lets ban it! never mind a hunting rifle is just a dangerous as an AR-15. The only difference is it doesn't make people as uncomfortable...

My view is that once people start OCing around Texas.... there will be an anti-gun back lash of businesses that you'll see chain stores like HEB, Wal-Mart, Target, posting 30.06 signs across the state so fast you can through that CHL card in the trash... because the only place you'll be able to carry is in your front yard or your car.

We'll that is my view... have what you want with it... but I don't see much good coming from OC. You can have your views I'll have mine.

[blue]

Mr. Cotton,
Apologies if I offended.
Certainly not intended.

Most of the grey,black, areas are pretty much raked over the coals on the forums on a regular basis. The usual suspects. Signs, Parking, Campus, Handog/Roundrock, etc.

It appears that CHLers have little protection, and heavy penalities for many things. YET others have very little to account for if they do not respect the CHL laws-

The gun shows posted 30.06 on city property wrongly, yet with NO control or penalties.
Schools that thumb their noses at CHL/TEXAS year after year, after year.
Parking private vehicles at employers.
Handog/Roundrock.

As far as I know-
Utah state preempts the schools and carry is ok in schools. (campus)
La. recently extended 'home' to include vehicles. (parking) (OKla.?)
TBAC 51%- reports of wrong signage is taken care of very fast.
Handog/Roundrock - Constitutional/OC stops that in its tracks

Austin- We are almost down to - can we get EVEN A LITTLE BITTY THING THRU AT ALL ???

Might just as well go for Constitutional/ OC - probably just as much chance of passing!

-Texas has a long way to catch up with some of the other states.

----THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE GREAT FORUMS---


APOLOGIES.







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off to lurk a while.
Regards to All,
Blue

[baldeagle]

Perhaps the perspective of an old man would help. When I was a boy you could walk in to any Western Auto store or any Sears and buy a rifle. I own a Western Auto single shot bolt action .22LR that was bought just that way. You didn't have to ask anyone's permission, and you didn't have to register your gun with the federal government. You didn't have to worry about carrying it in your vehicle. You didn't have to worry about taking it to school in our pickup truck. You didn't have to worry about being expelled if anyone discovered that you had your trusty pocket knife in your pants pocket while you walked the halls of your school.

All of that is gone now. It didn't happen overnight. It took a lot of incidents and political demagoguery to get to the point where many Americans now think there is something wrong with people who like guns. JFK was assassinated with "a mail order" rifle (gasp! Stop mail order mayhem!). Robert Kennedy was assassinated with a handgun. (OMG! Easily hidden! Ban them!) Martin Luther King was killed with an assault rifle (we used to just call them rifles. Ban them all. No one needs one anyway!) Chip, chip, chip against the rock until it was no longer recognizable. Oh, most people still acknowledged that the Constitution said we had a right to own guns. They just thought it was mostly for hunting and only done in rural areas. I mean, who in God's name would need a gun in the city? The police are right around the corner.

I'm 63. It took the better part of my life to get to the point that we are now. Americans didn't even start fighting back until the 80's. The tide at the time was strongly against them. Blood in the streets was the cry. Letting ordinary citizens carry guns around other people would increase crime, they said. People don't need guns in these modern times, they cried. Some rights we lost in the 1800's, when the West was "tamed". You had to surrender your guns when you entered the town. Either that or go to jail.

Now, some demand that all our rights be returned to us now. They unwilling to wait. What's the delay, they say.

I totally agree. Your problem is, many, many Americans disagree. I'm not the one you have to convince. They are. You saw what happens when politicians try to shove something down the people's throats without first "selling" them on the idea - utter devastation for the Democrats. Shove OC down their throats and you will see the same thing happen to gun rights. If you can't see that or won't at least admit to the possibility, then please let those who are working hard behind the scenes to restore our rights continue their work until our rights have been restored.

There is something you can do, if you really truly care about your 2A rights. Talk to every person you know about it. Work to change their minds. One man can move mountains if he wins the hearts of others.

[Matthew2000tx]

There is something you can do, if you really truly care about your 2A rights. Talk to every person you know about it. Work to change their minds. One man can move mountains if he wins the hearts of others.

Well said, good advice

[Bullwhip]

What we have now has so many black holes, grey areas, and land mines BUILT IN that carefully starting new would dump completely.

Please list them for us.

Chas.

The law has been patched and ducktaped and wired up so many times it's hard to keep track.

How many people show up here and their first few posts say they KNOW they can't carry in a hospital or church because their chl instructor told them so? Too many to count. Lots tell how their CHL instructor told this or that that isn't true. "One drop of alcohol", "printing if anyone knows your carrying", lots of bad advice about deadly force. Amusement parks, bars versus restuarants versus e-z-marts versus wal mart becuz they sell beer.

How about car carry versus travelling. Boy,that's real clear.Good example of how the law keeps getting patched up instead of really fixed.

Best way to fix the law is repeal most of it.