Let's have a Personal Defense ammo discussion

[UpTheIrons]

30-30 Win 150g HP (havent found any of these in the last several years)(got 2x20rd boxes left)

I saw some .30-30 HP the other day at Academy in the Barnes VOR-TX line. It is the Barnes Triple Shock bullet cut down to a soft-point profile, and the hollow point is just HUGE. Midway also has them (and a picture!):
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?p ... ber=436699

[Lonest4r]

30-30 Win 150g HP (havent found any of these in the last several years)(got 2x20rd boxes left)

I saw some .30-30 HP the other day at Academy in the Barnes VOR-TX line. It is the Barnes Triple Shock bullet cut down to a soft-point profile, and the hollow point is just HUGE. Midway also has them (and a picture!):
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?p ... ber=436699

I just bought some from Academy last weekend for my hog hunt this weekend. I will let you know how they work in a tubular magazine.

[Keith]

For the 10mm Double Tap 155 grn Barnes bullet 1400 fps from a 4.6 inch barrel 675 ft lbs. Its not extra hot its just 10mm loaded like it was ment to be when the round was first introduced. Most of the stuff today is downloaded. For the 45 I use Corbon DPX 185 grn +P ammo.

I personelly try to maintain 1050 fps as my bare minimum with good ft lbs of NRG. I know alot of people use a slower bigger bullet but I just keep thinking about the test I saw on tv were they shot a 230 grn 45 FMJ and a 9mm FMJ at a American world war 2 helmet. Both from pistols.The 9 mm penetrated the helmet and the 45 put a big dent but no penetration.

Love the 45 but for me I like a little more speed with the ability to still carry a decent size bullet. That why I love the 10mm 155 grn and also why I down size the 45 to 185 grn and use a Plus P round to get the speed up with good weight for penetration. To each his own good luck!

[SpringerFan]

Gold Dot 180s in the XDs and Speer Lawman FMJs in the LCP.

[gigag04]

Speer .45 230gr Gold Dots for work pistol, for the .380 90gr Gold Dots, for the patrol rifle .223 63gr Gold Dots (or might be 55gr).

Also for back up mags for the rifle I have 63 gr Hornady Tap, and some XM193 ball ammo (when you need to punch through to touch somebody).

I seem to have decent performance from these loads.

[OldSchool]

Winchester Bonded PDX-1 38sp +p 130gr
Remington Golden Saber HPJ (bonded?) 9mm +p 124gr
Remington Golden Saber HPJ (bonded?) 45acp 230gr

[UpTheIrons]

Thread drift warning: What's the difference between Remington's Golden Sabers and their "Ultimate Home Defense HD" line? They look awful similar, but the HD stuff is a bit cheaper.

I had the same question and had called Remington about this.

Bear in mind that the Golden Saber bullet comes in two styles - the original, and the Bonded (where the lead core is bonded to the brass jacket in order to hold together longer for deeper penetration - this is the one I like).

What the rep told me is that the HD is exactly the same as the original GS ammo - same cases, powder, bullet and primer. Because the bullet is non-bonded, it has slightly less penetration and is therefore better-suited for home-defense situations where over-penetration might be a concern eg sheetrock, etc.

So basically the Ultimate Home Defense HD line is just repackaged, non-bonded Golden Sabers for folks that are specifically looking for home-defense ammo but who don't know anything about Golden Sabers per se.

Thanks, Andy.

That explains why they are cheaper (and why you get "5 more rounds!" in a box) than the green box Golden Sabers. I guess it works if that's what you are looking for. I suppose I'll use up the last 10 rounds in a function test and try the real thing next in my carry gun.

[Katygunnut]

I agree with kraglover that the name brand US made ammo is all pretty good, so get what you like.



Here's a different question though:

What failure rate and how many rounds of a particular SD ammo do you shoot before you trust it?

I use Glocks for my primary SD weapons. I'm not familiar with the concept of a failure in these weapons, at least not through the first 3,000 rounds. Let me try another 10,000 rounds of whatever I can think of to shoot through it, and I'll see if I can experience this "failure" thingy. Maybe if I load up some gravel.

[Katygunnut]

To answer the original question, my SD ammo is:

9 MM - 147 grain Ranger SXT

45 Cal - 230 grain WWB JHP

380 - FMJ ammo (no specific type). I prefer FMJ in 380.

I have Hydra-Shock Two ammo on back order and will move to that in 9MM and 45 Cal as soon as it comes in.

[terryg]

To answer the original question, my SD ammo is:

9 MM - 147 grain Ranger SXT

Where do you get your SXT from?

[7075-T7]

I use Glocks for my primary SD weapons. I'm not familiar with the concept of a failure in these weapons, at least not through the first 3,000 rounds. Let me try another 10,000 rounds of whatever I can think of to shoot through it, and I'll see if I can experience this "failure" thingy. Maybe if I load up some gravel.

You should take that pistol to one of the 1911 vs Glock 1,000 round grudge matches run by Double Naught Spy up in Forestburg Tx, then - I think it's called IISHOT1000

At the 2007 match, 1 Glock 17 and 1 Colt Gov't 1911 made it all the way through - out of 9 Gocks and 7 1911s.
At the 2008 match, 1 Glock 26, 1 Sig 239 and 1 Colt Commander 1911 made it through - out of what looks like 5 Glocks and 7 1911s

for Sig P239!! I knew she was a good girl.

[Andrew]

Still have a couple three hundred Black Talon .45 acp very reliable in all of my 1911s, maybe a hundred Starfire purchased when Winchester pulled the Talons, http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.h ... A965958260" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;, what times we lived in eh? Starfires dirty and usually 1 or 2 fte per hundred.