what are the steps to take after you fire and kill?

[Hoi Polloi]

"There are so many more possibilities than calling people who ask questions lazy idiots who didn't pay attention in their wonderful, all-encompassing classes. "

Presumably, that statement wasn't directed at me?

If it was - Where in my post did call anyone lazy idiots and what prompts the sarcasm?

It wasn't sarcasm, but it was unintentionally sensationalistic and I apologize.

I read it as first making a negative judgment about the need to ask such questions and the frequency which you perceive them to be on the increase in this forum and second proposing one of two sources for that need: poor quality of students or poor quality of instruction, then eliminating the instruction as a possible issue. The way I read it would only make a negative statement about the questioner--specific questioners on this board--surmising they must have been poor students who didn't pay attention. I then responded hyperbolically in haste. I apologize again.

[Abraham]

Hoi Polloi,

Thank you and no hard feelings.

Admittedly, my post was cryptic.

What I was weakly alluding to is what seems, emphasis on seems, as I could be quite wrong, is a sudden increase of what appears to be questions by very new members that if answered poorly would make CHLers look like vigilantes. There seems to be a very recent pattern of this type question emerging - though again, I could be wrong.

As for asking questions - I was told in the Army that no question is stupid or wrong and I believe that. It often take courage to ask questions...

[Purplehood]

Hoi Polloi,

Thank you and no hard feelings.

Admittedly, my post was cryptic.

What I was weakly alluding to is what seems, emphasis on seems, as I could be quite wrong, is a sudden increase of what appears to be questions by very new members that if answered poorly would make CHLers look like vigilantes. There seems to be a very recent pattern of this type question emerging - though again, I could be wrong.

As for asking questions - I was told in the Army that no question is stupid or wrong and I believe that. It often take courage to ask questions...

I think that those very scenarios that are posed tend to bring out the best and the worst among us that post...and many times I suspect they are designed to do just that.
Unfortunately the medium of internet posting is not conducive to making an accurate assessment of who is asking an honest question and who is baiting a forum.

[Hoi Polloi]

Hoi Polloi,

Thank you and no hard feelings.

Admittedly, my post was cryptic.

What I was weakly alluding to is what seems, emphasis on seems, as I could be quite wrong, is a sudden increase of what appears to be questions by very new members that if answered poorly would make CHLers look like vigilantes. There seems to be a very recent pattern of this type question emerging - though again, I could be wrong.

As for asking questions - I was told in the Army that no question is stupid or wrong and I believe that. It often take courage to ask questions...

I think that those very scenarios that are posed tend to bring out the best and the worst among us that post...and many times I suspect they are designed to do just that.
Unfortunately the medium of internet posting is not conducive to making an accurate assessment of who is asking an honest question and who is baiting a forum.

Indeed--or of who is honestly responding, for that matter.

[Oldgringo]

Hoi Polloi,

Thank you and no hard feelings.

Admittedly, my post was cryptic.

What I was weakly alluding to is what seems, emphasis on seems, as I could be quite wrong, is a sudden increase of what appears to be questions by very new members that if answered poorly would make CHLers look like vigilantes. There seems to be a very recent pattern of this type question emerging - though again, I could be wrong.

As for asking questions - I was told in the Army that no question is stupid or wrong and I believe that. It often take courage to ask questions...

I think that those very scenarios that are posed tend to bring out the best and the worst among us that post...and many times I suspect they are designed to do just that.
Unfortunately the medium of internet posting is not conducive to making an accurate assessment of who is asking an honest question and who is baiting a forum.

Indeed--or of who is honestly responding, for that matter.

Hoi,

How were these questions/issues covered in your class?

[WildBill]

IMO, the tone of this thread was set by the wording of the title: "After you Fire and Kill." Maybe the OP wanted to capture people's attention by being "unintentionally sensationalistic", but the premise that you should kill someone so that there are no witnesses is absolutely ludicrous. I would hope that most members of the forum, if not all, know this. So maybe the poster of the question wanted or needed some kind of validation from a more rational or trustworthy source.

Every student has the right and the duty to question what is being "taught" in any class. This is where the TexasCHL Forum excels. After the formal CHL class the student can digest the subject matter and formulate scenarios and ask the "what ifs"? This forum offers the opportunity for these questions to be clarified and answered.

As far as the quality of CHL instruction, I have been extremely fortunate to have two of the best instructors in Texas. I can't vouch for other instructors, but I believe that the DPS does a good job screening, training and certifying Texas CHL instructors. I also believe that every CHL is responsible for their own knowledge and learning. That is one reason that I suggest taking additional training after obtaining the CHL.

Over the last 40 years I have listened to thousands of people brag about their knowledge of shooting, firearms and the law. Most of what I have heard was from blowhards with an inflated ego and a distorted view of reality. That is why I make sure I have fresh batteries in my Hogwash Detector and keep it tuned and calibrated.
When reading the TexasCHL Forum, it doesn't go off too often.

[Oldgringo]

IMO, the tone of this thread was set by the wording of the title: "After you Fire and Kill." Maybe the OP wanted to capture people's attention by being "unintentionally sensationalistic", but the premise that you should kill someone so that there are no witnesses is absolutely ludicrous. I would hope that most members of the forum, if not all, know this. So maybe the poster of the question wanted or needed some kind of validation from a more rational or trustworthy source.

Every student has the right and the duty to question what is being "taught" in any class. This is where the TexasCHL Forum excels. After the formal CHL class the student can digest the subject matter and formulate scenarios and ask the "what ifs"? This forum offers the opportunity for these questions to be clarified and answered.

As far as the quality of CHL instruction, I have been extremely fortunate to have two of the best instructors in Texas. I can't vouch for other instructors, but I believe that the DPS does a good job screening, training and certifying Texas CHL instructors. I also believe that every CHL is responsible for their own knowledge and learning. That is one reason that I suggest taking additional training after obtaining the CHL.

Over the last 40 years I have listened to thousands of people brag about their knowledge of shooting, firearms and the law. Most of what I have heard was from blowhards with an inflated ego and a distorted view of reality. That is why I make sure I have fresh batteries in my Hogwash Detector and keep it tuned and calibrated.
When reading the TexasCHL Forum, it doesn't go off too often.

Why do so many people think they want/need to shoot somebody?

First of all, there will be a lot of questions to be answered and forms to fill out,
Secondly, there will be legal fees ($$$$) even if you're no-billed,
Thirdly, You'll have to live with your family, friends, neighbors and yourself,
Fourth, it will be a long time before you see your heater (gun) again.

Gentlepersons(?), your CHL is a self-defense license; it is not a Batman-rid the world of evil-get out of jail free license.

[jester]

Why do so many people think they want/need to rob somebody?

First of all, you could be shot and killed or seriously injured,
Secondly, even if you survive, it's no fun if the police catch you,
Thirdly, you'll have to live with your family, friends, neighbors and yourself,
Fourth, it will be a long time burning in the heater of eternal damnation.

[Excaliber]

Why do so many people think they want/need to rob somebody?

First of all, you could be shot and killed or seriously injured,
Secondly, even if you survive, it's no fun if the police catch you,
Thirdly, you'll have to live with your family, friends, neighbors and yourself,
Fourth, it will be a long time burning in the heater of eternal damnation.

The reason it's puzzling to you is because you think like you instead of like a bandit.

For someone who believes he will always be the top predator in every encounter, is too smart to get caught, has neighbors who are doing the same things he's doing, and whose concept of long range planning doesn't go beyond lunch, robbery doesn't look like a bad deal at all.

It's a question of perspective.

[Hoi Polloi]

Hoi Polloi,

Thank you and no hard feelings.

Admittedly, my post was cryptic.

What I was weakly alluding to is what seems, emphasis on seems, as I could be quite wrong, is a sudden increase of what appears to be questions by very new members that if answered poorly would make CHLers look like vigilantes. There seems to be a very recent pattern of this type question emerging - though again, I could be wrong.

As for asking questions - I was told in the Army that no question is stupid or wrong and I believe that. It often take courage to ask questions...

I think that those very scenarios that are posed tend to bring out the best and the worst among us that post...and many times I suspect they are designed to do just that.
Unfortunately the medium of internet posting is not conducive to making an accurate assessment of who is asking an honest question and who is baiting a forum.

Indeed--or of who is honestly responding, for that matter.

Hoi,

How were these questions/issues covered in your class?

As you well know, I signed up here to answer the specific question of why I had not yet taken a class. I just asked my husband how his class handled it. His answer was that he does not remember them covering it and what he remembers on this topic is all from forums he reads.

[bdickens]

I wonder why so many hypothetical shoot scenarios posed by new members keep popping up?

According to the questions, it seems many CHL instructors aren't performing quality instruction or the student isn't paying attention or ...

(I find it hard to believe quality CHL instruction has gone down. If anything, CHL instruction is better than it's ever been.)

Based on the discussions that follow the increased number of these and "is this sign legal" questions, I am convinced that there are a lot of sub-par instructors.

[Westfield]

I re-read the OP's original question. I cannot believe that he attended a quality CHL class. Questions like the one posed here show a complete ignorance to the law and the basics of using deadly force. Carrying a hand gun is serious business, I hope the OP is a troll and not a legitimate CHL holder.

[tacticool]

Based on the discussions that follow the increased number of these and "is this sign legal" questions, I am convinced that there are a lot of sub-par instructors.

I think sub-par instructors are a bigger problem than the "Utah problem" because it's the blind leading the blind.

[tacticool]

For someone who believes he will always be the top predator in every encounter, is too smart to get caught, has neighbors who are doing the same things he's doing, and whose concept of long range planning doesn't go beyond lunch, robbery doesn't look like a bad deal at all.

It's a question of perspective.

The best way to change that perspective is give them a "third eye" so they see the light.

That's the only proven way to rehabilitate a VCA. For the career criminal, prison is a training facility. They learn to become more dangerous criminals. They join gangs or strengthen their existing gang ties. Like the Al Qaeda training camps, the bad guys become badder. And we pay for for it.

[Oldgringo]

I re-read the OP's original question. I cannot believe that he attended a quality CHL class. Questions like the one posed here show a complete ignorance to the law and the basics of using deadly force. Carrying a hand gun is serious business, I hope the OP is a troll and not a legitimate CHL holder.

First of all, we never perceived of our CHL's being any sort of Batman license and we weren't going looking for people to shoot. We got our CHL's purely for self-defense purposes. We're adults and we know that shooting the worst of the bad guys is not going to be for free. There will be forms to fill out, questions to be answered and lawyers to represent you before the Grand Jury, etc., etc. In short, shooting somebody is the last choice but if we must, there will be gunplay and it won't be to disarm or dissuade.

The above having been said, I have learned more about our reponsibilities and liabilities of having a CHL and the law from this forum than our class ever started to touch on.

"nuff said", Burma Shave. (I said that we're adults)