what are the steps to take after you fire and kill?

[WildBill]

what are the steps to be taken when law enforcement arrives at the scene after your heroic shooting?

After your what?

wow...I didn't even catch that. It's got to be a troll...

I need to slow down and read things more carefully before I post.

[AJ80]

If the BG is a buck, you get food in your fridge for a while and a nice trophy to hang on your wall.

[howdy]

Shoot to "stop" is on the CHL written test. Oh, and something else. There are about 10 cameras in that store that will record you shooting the guy in the back. That is going to look great to a jury.

[Excaliber]

i apoligize if that was a troll question but i wasnt expected to be flamed upon, im on here to ask questions, learn, and get answers to the parts that were not explained thoroughly in class. i do realize its not a batman license.

but if YOU were in line at a bank during a robbery, even though the gun is not pointed at you it would be at the clerk most likely, i would still consider my life in danger, and IMO a shot in the back would be justified in this situation. as it would not be a smart move to wait for him to turn around to shoot him as he may shoot you first.

if the cops arrive and you are still exchanging gunfire with the BG, what is to stop the police from shooting at the CHL holder, as they would be aproaching a "3rd party" gunfight, not knowing who is the BG in the gunfire exchange?

all hypotheticall questions i know.

my instuctor did say and i quote "if you shoot them you better kill them, one story is better than two, dead men can't talk".


and im paraphrasing him here "...to stop the threat by wounding them would put you more at risk in court, one story vs two..."

New instructor time.

Retaking the course from a competent instructor (or attending one of Charles' presentations on self defense and the law) would answer many of your questions with solid information and would be an excellent investment despite the additional cost.

If you're ever tempted to use the advice you cited above in real life, look up the recent case of the Oklahoma City pharmacist who did exactly that and is now on trial for Murder First Degree.

[canvasbck]

my instructor was on the hillbilly side i will admit . i know its not a batman license im just asking hypothetical questions to hypothetical situation. im here to learn. not to get bashed.

Your OP was questioning proper procedure following a shooting. Step 1, remove the words "shoot to kill" from you vocabulary. Step 2, add the words "stop the treat". As was stated before, there are way too many situational items left out of your bank senario. The conveinience store would not be a wise shoot if you do not feel you are in danger
(back of the store, BG in front of the store).

Both of your scenarios that involve defense of a third party would most likely call for seeking defensive cover and further evaluating the situation to determine the real threat level. IANAL, nor am I as experienced as many on this forum, so take my 2 cents for what it's worth.

[MoJo]

glock27,

You don't say where you live if you're close to Beaumont/Port Arthur I'll be happy to let you sit in on one of my classes.

[Seabear]

glock27,

You don't say where you live if you're close to Beaumont/Port Arthur I'll be happy to let you sit in on one of my classes.

I agree, I would do the same. This is why I got into teaching. I observed 3 instructors teaching even less than the OP's instructor.

[A-R]

if you're in Austin area, I'll make you same offer.

I actually had an instructor tell me the same "shoot to kill" bunk on either my initial license class or first renewal (can't even remember now - that was pre-wife and pre-kids). Instructors like that are also one of the reasons I decided to get certified.

[Scott in Houston]

I agree with all the posters about your scenarios being a little over the top and it does sound "mall ninja-like", but...

In my class we happened to cover the scenario of an armed robber pointing at a cashier while you're in the store.

Ultimately, you're legal to shoot the BG and stop the threat of him killing the clerk, BUT.... it doesn't mean it's the right action to take.
As mentioned, he could end up shooting the clerk and then you're in a world of hurt legally... or your bullet could go through BG and kill clerk, and now you're arrested for murder... or he could turn around and shoot at you after being shot (people don't just 'drop' like in Hollywood) and he could kill you, someone else.

Essentially, do this... PLEASE do this... just get to safety, call 9-1-1, and be a good witness. Don't engage unless your life is in immediate danger.

[Charles L. Cotton]

I'm not going to discuss the shoot-no-shoot issue, but I don't want people to get the wrong idea about the result of certain unintended consequences mentioned in some of the posts.

If one is justified in using deadly force against someone and in doing so he injures or kills an innocent 3rd person, the shooter will not be charged with murder. He may or may not be charged for recklessly injuring or killing the innocent person. "Recklessness" is not an easy standard for the prosecution to meet, as statutorily defined.

If a round goes through the BG and hits an innocent person, there is virtually no chance of being prosecuted, unless you were using AP rounds, or a 50 BMG.

Not every unintended injury or death is the result of recklessness.

We all need to be responsible, not merely legal, but let's not overstate the risks.

Chas.