Government's right to track you with GPS

[Liberty]

Sometimes things fall off a car, in this area sometimes they even fall into the Gulf or into the bay.

Just sayin'

[PeteCamp]

So it would require carrying on a conversation or sending some sort of information back and forth, at a power level sufficient to swamp the receiver, on a frequency not allowed to hams except on a low power, non-interfering, basis, sorry, still illegal, even carrying on a conversation.

I must have misunderstood what you said. I wasn't aware that operating legally, which means not intentionally interfering with anyone, was illegal when a clandestine govt GPS device, whose existence you are unaware of, was in the area. Something about burden of proof (Who would know what was causing the GPS to not receive?) and presumption of innocence. IANAL, but I think that would be slightly harder to prove in court than intentionally and willfully destroying a piece of govt hardware. To repeat, I think the best and safest way to deal with such a device would be to remove it from your property and put it somewhere exciting.

The fun part would be deciding where. I like falling in the Bay.

[tarkus]

To repeat, I think the best and safest way to deal with such a device would be to remove it from your property and put it somewhere exciting.

The fun part would be deciding where. I like falling in the Bay.

Message in a bottle.

[jimlongley]

So it would require carrying on a conversation or sending some sort of information back and forth, at a power level sufficient to swamp the receiver, on a frequency not allowed to hams except on a low power, non-interfering, basis, sorry, still illegal, even carrying on a conversation.

I must have misunderstood what you said. I wasn't aware that operating legally, which means not intentionally interfering with anyone, was illegal when a clandestine govt GPS device, whose existence you are unaware of, was in the area. Something about burden of proof (Who would know what was causing the GPS to not receive?) and presumption of innocence. IANAL, but I think that would be slightly harder to prove in court than intentionally and willfully destroying a piece of govt hardware. To repeat, I think the best and safest way to deal with such a device would be to remove it from your property and put it somewhere exciting.

The fun part would be deciding where. I like falling in the Bay.

You need to review some of the FCC holdings on "operating legally."

Just the same, who would know that the GPS didn't fall onto the ferry between Galveston and Bolivar?

[VoiceofReason]

How about taking it off and attaching it to a long haul 18 wheeler?

[b322da]

Here is a brand new rather flexible decision out of the 3d Circuit Court of Appeals which may ultimately bear on the GPS issue here, along with, of course, its specific issue of tracking one's cell phone location without a warrant.

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/local/pa ... hones.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Elmo

[Kythas]

Appeals Court in Virginia ruled it's constitutional for police to track a person using GPS without a warrant.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/local ... 31294.html

I'll bet this issue heads to the Supreme Court.

[C-dub]

The two options I like the best are helium balloons and OTR truck. Or how about the container on an OTR truck that will get loaded onto a ship to be shipped overseas?

[Pawpaw]

Put it on a taxi.

[VoiceofReason]

The two options I like the best are helium balloons and OTR truck. Or how about the container on an OTR truck that will get loaded onto a ship to be shipped overseas?

an OTR truck that will get loaded onto a ship to be shipped overseas

Best one yet.

[KD5NRH]

With some of my ham equipment I could find it in seconds, and may just start scanning my vehicles routinely.

I'm too lazy to go look up the GPS frequencies, but I'm betting most receivers use the same IF, and leak a bit of it. Easier than looking all over the spectrum for its transmit frequency - especially if it's reporting in only when the vehicle is moving and/or in timed bursts.

It would be even more fun it it uses standard NMEA data between the GPS and the transmitter; haul it in the house, hook it up to the computer, and let your imagination take them wherever you want them to think you're going. Mach 6 through the NYC subway tunnels sounds fun, or follow some submarine patrol routes.

[PeteCamp]

It would be even more fun it it uses standard NMEA data between the GPS and the transmitter; haul it in the house, hook it up to the computer, and let your imagination take them wherever you want them to think you're going. Mach 6 through the NYC subway tunnels sounds fun, or follow some submarine patrol routes.

You sir, have a twisted imagination!!!

[Mike1951]

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/1 ... ng-device/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Caught Spying on Student, FBI Demands GPS Tracker Back

[OldCurlyWolf]

One way to legally stop the LE community from attaching a device of any kind to a vehicle parked on your driveway is to post a "NO TRESPASSING" sign at your property line.

Then, If they were so bold as to plant one anyway, all evidence obtained by the device would be excluded as "fruit of the poisoned tree".

[Abraham]

If in fact a GPS tracking device helps law enforcement with catching criminals/terrorists why would any law abiding citizen protest?

Or, are we afraid that Big Brother is arbitrarily infringing on the rights of the law abiding?

Some of what I've read so far seems to indicate a knee-jerk negative reaction to law enforcement using technology that has the potential for misuse, but is there a solid reason to indiscriminately distrust those who presumably keep us safe from enemies both foreign and domestic?

I see no one touting the "virtues of GPS tracking" i.e., On Star has presumably helped a lot of people and EPIRB's have saved sailors all over the world.

Admittedly, I know little about this overall issue - so can someone enlighten me what this GPS tracking fuss is about?