No Gun Apartment Lease?

[Scire.Factor]

The apartment i lived in last had the exact quoted wording you posted. I did not see where it prohibited me from carrying or owning a firearm. But i agree with Charles. Do not ask. If its not in the lease that firearms are prohibited i think you would be OK IMO. I carried into the leasing office all the time and never thought twice about doing so.

Yeah, you and Charles made good points about not asking anymore. I have never lived in an apartment complex before and this is my first time carrying/owning a firearm in Texas, so I guess you can say I am being a little too cautious. I just do not need to stress it as long as I am following the law. I really cannot say thank you enough to everyone who has helped me with this issue. I have an appointment with a lawyer on Thursday, so I am interested to see what he says.

[Keith B]

I would much rather have a lease that does not have any reference to firearms in it than one that does. Especially if the lease asks 'Do you own a firearm?' Then states 'If not, you need to make sure and purchase one if you are gonna live in THESE apartments!!'

Seriously, as others have said, be discreet, and don't display or talk about them openly. That is just a good way to get your apartment broken into or hassled about the guns.

[tiger1873]

Lease contract says ... No pets allowed?
Imma miss "Ole' Bessie"

I am a landlord had tenant sneak in pets into the house I was renting. I couldn't evict them over that. I had a clause the pound could pick them up. I called the pound and they refused to get involved told me they had a lease and since they lived there could have a pet. If I wanted to Evict them it would be hard just on those basis. There would have to be a pattern of damaging the property and being an all round nuisance to the neighbors. I was told the best course of action was not to renew the lease when it time. They broke a lot of other terms on the lease. I did eventually get a pet deposit and couple of months later they didn't pay the rent on time so I had them kicked out. but it was the not paying rent that got them kicked out the other things just made my case stronger. Even late fees and fines are not a valid reason to evict. Of course they are perfectly valid as a reason not to renew and then kick them out. But that is another story.

Bottom line is if you pay your rent on time and don't bother anyone and abide by the law no one can make you leave during the term of the lease. It's one of the few rights a tenant has and it makes sense.

[ericlw]

i know my lease has the same clause. I just ignored it. Ofcourse they wont enforce someone bbqing on their balcony about to burn the building down either so.

[suthdj]

I am getting ready to move to Texas and have found an apartment complex that may be really interested in. I called the front office and the first thing I asked them was if they had a firearm policy. They replied that they are gun free and it is in the lease. They emailed me a copy of their lease and below is the only thing I can find regarding firearms. I believe the following (in bold) says that I am only not allowed to display, discarge, or pocess in a threatening way. Do you all think that from the below part of the lease that I am not allowed to have a firearm in the apartment? Thank you in advance.

CONDUCT OF RESIDENT: Resident agrees to abide by all federal, State and municipal laws, ordinances, regulations
or orders (including but not limited to those pertaining to use of hazardous substances) as well as Owner’s Rules and
Regulations now in force and effect or which may be hereafter enacted. Resident agrees that Resident or Resident’s
guests or the Roommates or their respective guests shall not: (i) be loud, obnoxious, disorderly, boisterous, or
unlawful; (ii) disturb or threaten the rights, comfort, health, safety, or convenience of others (including Owner’s
agents) in or near the Community; (iii) display, discharge, or possess, a gun, knife, or other weapon in a way that may
threaten or alarm others or Roommates including but not limited to any pistol, revolver, rifle, shotgun, or other
weapon designed or intended to propel a missile of any kind, knives of stated dimensions, razors, throwing stars, nun
chucks, and similar objects;

as well as Owner’s Rules and Regulations now in force and effect or which may be hereafter enacted.
Did they give yo a copy of this also? But as others have said I don't see how they could stop you. Don't ask Don't tell.

[03Lightningrocks]

Sounds pretty clear to me. It's OK to have a gun there, just don't go waving it around everywhere.
I read a case law article where an apartment tried to force a no-gun policy on the tennants.
The right to protect oneself was deemed more important than the apartment's liberal bias.
Seems the apartment can't make up it's own laws when you rent, and therefore, control the property in question.

display, discharge, or possess, a gun, knife, or other weapon in a way that may
threaten or alarm others or Roommates including but not limited to any pistol, revolver, rifle, shotgun, or other
weapon designed or intended to propel a missile of any kind, knives of stated dimensions, razors, throwing stars, nun
chucks, and similar objects;

I agree and actually. The policy they spell out is pretty good common sense... rules or not, why would anyone be retarded enough to do any of the things they forbid in that lease.... anywhere for that matter. Anyone who would do this kind of thing needs slapped out cold anyway and sure doesn't need to own a gun.

As to your question. Some dingle berry at the front office just has issues with guns so they gave you their own personal interpretation. Nothing in that anywhere states no guns in your apartment. i am not sure they could do that legally anyway.

[03Lightningrocks]

What CHARLES said above...for goodness sake.

What did you expect them to say, "that they welcome shooters of all races and creeds and also bring any explosive or incendiary devices that you may have with you" ???

I think the thing is, ole Gringo, fellers who have never really been around guns much feel a certain kind of guilt about owning them. Almost like they are teetering on the brink of rebellion. After a few years they come to realize owning a gun isn't really anything note worthy.

[03Lightningrocks]

i'd find another apt,screw that

I have seen that exact same wording in other apartment lease contracts. I think these guys get them from the same place. Good luck finding an apartment that says it is OK to wave your gun around and scare the natives.

[03Lightningrocks]

Read this again folks.

display, discharge, or possess, a gun, knife, or other weapon in a way that may
threaten or alarm others or Roommates including but not limited to any pistol, revolver, rifle, shotgun, or other
weapon designed or intended to propel a missile of any kind, knives of stated dimensions, razors, throwing stars, nun
chucks, and similar objects;

It plainly states in a way that would threaten or alarm. They are simply telling you not to be waving the darned weapons around, dsplaying them or using them to scare the neighbors. Nowhere in that does it say no weapons on the premises. I thought all you guys were closet lawyers. This one is real easy folks! And it is standard lease speak. I bet it is in a lot of your leases and you just don't know it because you didn't read all 5 gabillion words of the fine print.

[Scire.Factor]

What CHARLES said above...for goodness sake.

What did you expect them to say, "that they welcome shooters of all races and creeds and also bring any explosive or incendiary devices that you may have with you" ???

I think the thing is, ole Gringo, fellers who have never really been around guns much feel a certain kind of guilt about owning them. Almost like they are teetering on the brink of rebellion. After a few years they come to realize owning a gun isn't really anything note worthy.

Well I would expect the lease to read something like, "We follow all federal and state laws regarding firearms". I do not think it is too much to expect the right to own firearms in an apartment complex. Like I said earlier, I am not a new gun owner - as I have owned guns my whole life and work with them since I am in the military. I am new to Texas and new to renting an apartment.

[03Lightningrocks]

What CHARLES said above...for goodness sake.

What did you expect them to say, "that they welcome shooters of all races and creeds and also bring any explosive or incendiary devices that you may have with you" ???

I think the thing is, ole Gringo, fellers who have never really been around guns much feel a certain kind of guilt about owning them. Almost like they are teetering on the brink of rebellion. After a few years they come to realize owning a gun isn't really anything note worthy.

Well I would expect the lease to read something like, "We follow all federal and state laws regarding firearms". I do not think it is too much to expect the right to own firearms in an apartment complex. Like I said earlier, I am not a new gun owner - as I have owned guns my whole life and work with them since I am in the military. I am new to Texas and new to renting an apartment.

Being in the military does not really make one familiar with guns. my brother was a sniper in Desert Storm and owns a judge and a 22 rifle. Not exactly what I would call a gun expert. Anyway..... I get what your saying. You are going to like Texas. we don't have many issues with private gun ownership. Just don't try to open carry....LOL. But then that would be a thread all it's own.

[sjfcontrol]

That would be MANY threads of it's own...

[Scire.Factor]

What CHARLES said above...for goodness sake.

What did you expect them to say, "that they welcome shooters of all races and creeds and also bring any explosive or incendiary devices that you may have with you" ???

I think the thing is, ole Gringo, fellers who have never really been around guns much feel a certain kind of guilt about owning them. Almost like they are teetering on the brink of rebellion. After a few years they come to realize owning a gun isn't really anything note worthy.

Well I would expect the lease to read something like, "We follow all federal and state laws regarding firearms". I do not think it is too much to expect the right to own firearms in an apartment complex. Like I said earlier, I am not a new gun owner - as I have owned guns my whole life and work with them since I am in the military. I am new to Texas and new to renting an apartment.

Being in the military does not really make one familiar with guns. my brother was a sniper in Desert Storm and owns a judge and a 22 rifle. Not exactly what I would call a gun expert. Anyway..... I get what your saying. You are going to like Texas. we don't have many issues with private gun ownership. Just don't try to open carry....LOL. But then that would be a thread all it's own.

hahaha... I have been VERY fortunate with where I have been stationed in the states that are gun friendly. I grew up Florida (very gun friendly), was stationed in Arizona (very gun friendly, plus has open carry), and now going to be stationed in Texas (which is also gun friendly). So, I am really looking forward to Texas, especially after being overseas for 4 years and not having my second amendment rights.

Gosh I am excited just to be able to go to the range when I want with my own guns!!!!

[03Lightningrocks]

What CHARLES said above...for goodness sake.

What did you expect them to say, "that they welcome shooters of all races and creeds and also bring any explosive or incendiary devices that you may have with you" ???

I think the thing is, ole Gringo, fellers who have never really been around guns much feel a certain kind of guilt about owning them. Almost like they are teetering on the brink of rebellion. After a few years they come to realize owning a gun isn't really anything note worthy.

Well I would expect the lease to read something like, "We follow all federal and state laws regarding firearms". I do not think it is too much to expect the right to own firearms in an apartment complex. Like I said earlier, I am not a new gun owner - as I have owned guns my whole life and work with them since I am in the military. I am new to Texas and new to renting an apartment.

Being in the military does not really make one familiar with guns. my brother was a sniper in Desert Storm and owns a judge and a 22 rifle. Not exactly what I would call a gun expert. Anyway..... I get what your saying. You are going to like Texas. we don't have many issues with private gun ownership. Just don't try to open carry....LOL. But then that would be a thread all it's own.

hahaha... I have been VERY fortunate with where I have been stationed in the states that are gun friendly. I grew up Florida (very gun friendly), was stationed in Arizona (very gun friendly, plus has open carry), and now going to be stationed in Texas (which is also gun friendly). So, I am really looking forward to Texas, especially after being overseas for 4 years and not having my second amendment rights.

Gosh I am excited just to be able to go to the range when I want with my own guns!!!!

Maybe I missed it but what part of Texas you moving to?

[Scire.Factor]

Maybe I missed it but what part of Texas you moving to?

I am going to be in the San Angelo area. Never been there, so not too sure what to expect.I was stationed in Wichita Falls, TX for a few months, but that was about 7 years ago and dont remember much about that area.