CHLer shoots burgler in Manvel

[surprise_i'm_armed]

After checking in on this thread for a while, I finally
looked up Manvel's geography, since I didn't know where it was.

FYI - Manvel is in Brazoria County, just south of Houston,
and reasonably close to Friendswood, TX where our friend
Charles Cotton and the Friendswood PSC is located.

SIA

[57Coastie]

Center mass would have been better. A knife wielding burglar can close REAL quick.

I would respectively suggest that this case is a great example of restraint on the part of a shooter who successfully used his handgun to nullify a threat without taking a life -- a shooter who had the self-confidence in his ability to do so -- he had this self-confidence though the kill zone is a much larger target than is a shin. Neither a CHL nor the Castle Doctrine compel one to take a life when one decides that, under the circumstances, it is not necessary to go quite that far in legitimately protecting himself and others.

This father deserves commendation for exercising this self-restraint under what must have been quite stressful conditions. I hope I am able to do the same, if appropriate, should I ever face such a situation.

Jim

[WildBill]

I never get the I am a Christian and I don't want to hurt anybody part. Be a man. The Bible does not say you can't hurt another.

I would respectively suggest that this case is a great example of restraint on the part of a shooter who successfully used his handgun to nullify a threat without taking a life -- a shooter who had the self-confidence in his ability to do so -- he had this self-confidence though the kill zone is a much larger target than is a shin. Neither a CHL nor the Castle Doctrine compel one to take a life when one decides that, under the circumstances, it is not necessary to go quite that far in legitimately protecting himself and others. Jim

Any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in Mankind; And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee. John Donne

[Keith B]

I never get the I am a Christian and I don't want to hurt anybody part.
Be a man. The Bible does not say you can't hurt another.

Christian or not, it takes a lot more guts and self control to be able to not shoot someone and stop the threat than to shoot them just because you can legally. Trust me on this. The PTSD post shooting is a VERY real thing and no matter what that person did you have to live with it the rest of your life. Not to mention the legal fees and headaches.

I am not saying you should never shoot someone, as there are times that there is no choice. However, being able to use force and brains, if possible, prior to deadly force to stop a threat will have a far better outcome for you.

[joe817]

Well put Coastie & KeithB! 100%

[PappaGun]

In the event it becomes necessary to defend, I will not be thinking of John Donne's poem.
Maybe I'm reading too much into this.
Why would I feel diminished because I exercise a right given to me by the Great State of Texas and the United States Constitution?
Yes, nothing compels one to use deadly force.
However, if my training and experience do compel deadly force, I am prepared for what follows.

[dihappy]

“I fired twice. I aimed low. I didn’t want that knife to end up in my chest.”

Hernandez was hit once in the left shin. He was taken by ambulance to Memorial Hermann Hospital in Houston in good condition, Baker said.

“I was just glad he wasn’t dead,” said Yoakum, who is trained to use firearms and has a concealed-carry license.

Well, i just have to say that the bold do not lend themselves to anyone "trained to use firearms".

I wonder if he knew about the 21' rule? This man could have ended up dead.

[dihappy]

Center mass would have been better. A knife wielding burglar can close REAL quick.

I would respectively suggest that this case is a great example of restraint on the part of a shooter who successfully used his handgun to nullify a threat without taking a life -- a shooter who had the self-confidence in his ability to do so -- he had this self-confidence though the kill zone is a much larger target than is a shin. Neither a CHL nor the Castle Doctrine compel one to take a life when one decides that, under the circumstances, it is not necessary to go quite that far in legitimately protecting himself and others.

This father deserves commendation for exercising this self-restraint under what must have been quite stressful conditions. I hope I am able to do the same, if appropriate, should I ever face such a situation.

Jim

Seriously?
This "father" got LUCKY end of tale. He "shot low", ill bet the farm he wasnt "aiming" at the guys shin, in fact he shot "twice" and hit once.

Anyone else on this board think they can control their fine motor skills to "aim" at the shin, feet, legs, knees of an intruder coming at them?

Not me.

[Kythas]

I never get the I am a Christian and I don't want to hurt anybody part.
Be a man. The Bible does not say you can't hurt another.

I agree. Too many people don't realize the Commandment "Thou shalt not kill" is actually "Thou shalt not murder" in the original Hebrew. It was mistranslated by William Tyndale in 1525 while starting a translation of the Old Testament into the Old English which was spoken at the time. His translation of the Old Testament was later used as the basis for the King James Version of the Bible in 1611 when it was written to conform to the teachings of the Church of England. The KJV has been used for centuries as the English version of the Bible until recent modern translations, some of which now say "You will not murder" and some of which keeping the "You will not kill".

The only reason I know this, by the way, is due to a talk with my unit chaplain when I was in the Army. As an infantryman I had a question regarding my job and duty to kill the enemy in battle and the prohibition in the Bible not to kill. My chaplain explained the "Thou shalt not murder" issue to me and explained where in the Bible God allows for the killing of other people by the Israelites, as well as outlining certain rules of warfare in Deuteronomy.

I've also heard it explained this way by a later minister who took on this topic one Sunday. Here's the Reader's Digest condensed version:

Your life is a gift from God. By not doing everything you can to safeguard and protect that gift you are dishonoring the gift of life God gave you, and are therefore dishonoring God.

[Oldgringo]

Kythas wrote:

Your life is a gift from God. By not doing everything you can to safeguard and protect that gift you are dishonoring the gift of life God gave you, and are therefore dishonoring God.

Hmmm? This is an interesting concept, very interesting. Thank you.

[57Coastie]

Kythas wrote:

Your life is a gift from God. By not doing everything you can to safeguard and protect that gift you are dishonoring the gift of life God gave you, and are therefore dishonoring God.

Hmmm? This is an interesting concept, very interesting. Thank you.

I must ask our biblical scholars whether or not the BG's life might also be a gift of God, and whether taking that life unnecessarily, the one and only point to my earlier post, might also dishonor God.

In the event it becomes necessary to defend, I will not be thinking of John Donne's poem.

I personally believe that many of us might profit from reading John Donne, particularly as we enter into this season. One need not think of his poem when under stress, but his poem just may have set a state of mind.

With the greatest of respect to those who differ, and my wishes for all to have a pleasant holiday season,

Jim

[Kythas]

I must ask our biblical scholars whether or not the BG's life might also be a gift of God, and whether taking that life unnecessarily, the one and only point to my earlier post, might also dishonor God.

God lays down the Biblical foundation for the right of self defense in Exodus 22:2 (Exodus 22:1 in the Torah for our Jewish friends):

If a thief is found breaking in, and is killed, no bloodguilt is incurred.

(Note this is the Hebrew translation).

This quote is universally found to show that God allows the killing of another person in self defense.

As the passages which deal with this are from the Old Testament, and specifically from the portions of the Old Testament which make up the Torah, I found a good website from a Jewish Rabbi explaining the right of self defense. In fact, he refers to self defense as both a duty and an obligation. http://www.gunownersalliance.com/Rabbi_0362.htm

He also makes this statement:

Killing is not always murder. Killing and murder are dissimilar as night and day. Hebrew uses two distinct words to differentiate between the two.

[actionshooter10]

I must ask our biblical scholars whether or not the BG's life might also be a gift of God, and whether taking that life unnecessarily, the one and only point to my earlier post, might also dishonor God.

I personally believe that many of us might profit from reading John Donne, particularly as we enter into this season. One need not think of his poem when under stress, but his poem just may have set a state of mind.

With the greatest of respect to those who differ, and my wishes for all to have a pleasant holiday season,

Jim

It is my belief that the BG's life is indeed a gift from God, just as mine is.

If he attempts to take my life, he has forfeited his right to life. I don't intend to use deadly force in a situation that isn't endangering my life. Therefore, I see no reason to attempt to save his life by taking a lower chance shot that will endanger me if I miss or it fails to stop him.

I'm not saying that I would try to kill him, I'm saying that I would take the highest percentage shot that allows me to stop his agressive action the fastest.

If that shot ended his life, it would be regrettable but neccesary. I would feel regret that he forced me to take his life, but not regret the action that led to it.

[WildBill]

Check out the shooter's website:

"My name is Gerald Yoakum; friends call me Magnum."

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[Aggie_engr]

FYI - Manvel is in Brazoria County, just south of Houston,
and reasonably close to Friendswood, TX where our friend
Charles Cotton and the Friendswood PSC is located.

Manvel runs into Alvin, where I'm from and my parents live. I have already emailed them this story as well. Also close to Friendswood as said before. Thanks for posting the story OP.