Remember the "Pistol Packing" soccer mom?
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Remember the "Pistol Packing" soccer mom?
Several threads on how she lost her license, sued the sheriff, etc.
Now this.
Gun-toting soccer mom, husband found shot dead in apparent murder-suicide
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Lebanon, Pa. A soccer mom who gained national attention when she openly carried a loaded gun to her 5-year-old daughter's game was shot dead Wednesday along with her husband in what appeared to be a murder-suicide, police said.
Meleanie Hain and Scott Hain were pronounced dead Wednesday night at their home in Lebanon, a small city about 80 miles west of Philadelphia.
The couple's three children were home at the time but weren't hurt, police said. They were taken to stay with friends and relatives.
Meleanie Hain, 31, and Scott Hain, 33, had been having marital problems for about a week, neighbor Mark Long said. Scott Hain had left the couple's home on Tuesday, and Meleanie Hain didn't know where he was, but he returned Wednesday, Long said.
Autopsies on the Hains were to be conducted Thursday, coroner Dr. Jeffrey Yocum said.
Meleanie Hain made headlines after she attended a children's soccer game in a park on Sept. 11, 2008, with a handgun in plain view holstered on her hip, upsetting other parents.
The county sheriff, Michael DeLeo, revoked her gun-carrying permit nine days later.
Hain successfully appealed the permit revocation, although the judge who restored the permit questioned her judgment and said she had "scared the devil" out of other people at the game.
Hain sued DeLeo in federal court, alleging that he violated her constitutional rights and prosecuted her maliciously when he took the permit away. She said that because of his actions her baby-sitting service had suffered, her children had been harassed and she had been ostracized by her neighbors in Lebanon, which has about 25,000 residents.
DeLeo said at Hain's appeal that he revoked her permit after fielding the parents' complaints. He said he based his decision on a state law that prohibits certain gun permits from being given to anyone whose character and reputation make him or her a danger to public safety.
After Hain sued DeLeo, the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence, which says it tries to reform the gun industry through sensible regulations, offered to defend him for free.
"It is a case that calls out for common sense," Brady Center attorney Daniel Vice said then. "It's ridiculous to bring a gun to a child's soccer game."
A court hearing on Hain's $1 million lawsuit was postponed in May after an attorney in the case was involved in a traffic accident.
Now this.
Gun-toting soccer mom, husband found shot dead in apparent murder-suicide
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... icide.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Lebanon, Pa. A soccer mom who gained national attention when she openly carried a loaded gun to her 5-year-old daughter's game was shot dead Wednesday along with her husband in what appeared to be a murder-suicide, police said.
Meleanie Hain and Scott Hain were pronounced dead Wednesday night at their home in Lebanon, a small city about 80 miles west of Philadelphia.
The couple's three children were home at the time but weren't hurt, police said. They were taken to stay with friends and relatives.
Meleanie Hain, 31, and Scott Hain, 33, had been having marital problems for about a week, neighbor Mark Long said. Scott Hain had left the couple's home on Tuesday, and Meleanie Hain didn't know where he was, but he returned Wednesday, Long said.
Autopsies on the Hains were to be conducted Thursday, coroner Dr. Jeffrey Yocum said.
Meleanie Hain made headlines after she attended a children's soccer game in a park on Sept. 11, 2008, with a handgun in plain view holstered on her hip, upsetting other parents.
The county sheriff, Michael DeLeo, revoked her gun-carrying permit nine days later.
Hain successfully appealed the permit revocation, although the judge who restored the permit questioned her judgment and said she had "scared the devil" out of other people at the game.
Hain sued DeLeo in federal court, alleging that he violated her constitutional rights and prosecuted her maliciously when he took the permit away. She said that because of his actions her baby-sitting service had suffered, her children had been harassed and she had been ostracized by her neighbors in Lebanon, which has about 25,000 residents.
DeLeo said at Hain's appeal that he revoked her permit after fielding the parents' complaints. He said he based his decision on a state law that prohibits certain gun permits from being given to anyone whose character and reputation make him or her a danger to public safety.
After Hain sued DeLeo, the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence, which says it tries to reform the gun industry through sensible regulations, offered to defend him for free.
"It is a case that calls out for common sense," Brady Center attorney Daniel Vice said then. "It's ridiculous to bring a gun to a child's soccer game."
A court hearing on Hain's $1 million lawsuit was postponed in May after an attorney in the case was involved in a traffic accident.
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Re: Remember the "Pistol Packing" soccer mom?
I wonder if Dan can tell us when it is not ridiculous to bring a gun to a particular time/event/locale."It is a case that calls out for common sense," Brady Center attorney Daniel Vice said then. "It's ridiculous to bring a gun to a child's soccer game."
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Re: Remember the "Pistol Packing" soccer mom?
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Meleanie Hain, 31, and Scott Hain, 33, had been having marital problems for about a week, neighbor Mark Long said.
They need to pass a law making the waiting period for murder/suicide due to marital problems at least 30 days. You know, give people time to work out their issues.
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Re: Remember the "Pistol Packing" soccer mom?
Sad.
Why am I not surprised that the scumbags at the BradyBunch didn't even let the bodies get cold before they tried to profit from this?
Why am I not surprised that the scumbags at the BradyBunch didn't even let the bodies get cold before they tried to profit from this?
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Turns out the husband probably killed the wife.
Apparently she was unable to use that pistol when it mattered most.
Apparently she was unable to use that pistol when it mattered most.
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Re: Remember the "Pistol Packing" soccer mom?
I bet it was a hit, perpetrated by the Brady Campaign....
just saying.
just saying.
FWIW, IIRC, AFAIK, FTMP, IANAL. YMMV.
Re: Remember the "Pistol Packing" soccer mom?
I am no fan of the bradybunch, but how are they trying to profit from this? The only mention of them in the article was a comment made back when the court cases were going on.Why am I not surprised that the scumbags at the BradyBunch didn't even let the bodies get cold before they tried to profit from this?
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Re: Remember the "Pistol Packing" soccer mom?
Open carry may be desired by some among us, but I believe that
open carry "scares the horses" and leads to unwanted negative publicity
about gun ownership.
At such time that open carry may become Texas law, the
printers will have a banner year creating a raft of new 30.06 signs.
Concealed means concealed. I believe it helps us more than open carry would.
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open carry "scares the horses" and leads to unwanted negative publicity
about gun ownership.
At such time that open carry may become Texas law, the
printers will have a banner year creating a raft of new 30.06 signs.
Concealed means concealed. I believe it helps us more than open carry would.
SIA
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2nd Saturdays: Rudy's BBQ, N. Dallas Pkwy, N.bound, N. of Main St., Frisco.
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Re: Remember the "Pistol Packing" soccer mom?
Doh! Unfortunately that follows the logic-trail of the anti-2A folks almost to a "T".android wrote:TxD wrote:
Meleanie Hain, 31, and Scott Hain, 33, had been having marital problems for about a week, neighbor Mark Long said.
They need to pass a law making the waiting period for murder/suicide due to marital problems at least 30 days. You know, give people time to work out their issues.
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PA Gun Toting Soccer Mom Dead in Murder Suicide
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LEBANON, Pa. — An autopsy was planned Friday for a suburban mother who last year shocked other parents by openly carrying a loaded handgun at her daughter's youth soccer game and this week was found shot dead with her husband in an apparent murder-suicide.
Meleanie Hain, who ran a baby-sitting service and became a voice of the gun rights movement, and Scott Hain, a parole officer, were found dead Wednesday inside their home in Pennsylvania Dutch country, but their three children were unharmed.
Police Chief Daniel Wright said he planned to disclose more about the case following autopsies expected to be performed Friday.
The couple's children were at a nearby house when police arrived Wednesday night to answer 911 calls from neighbors, Wright said.
Meleanie Hain's mother, Jenny Stanley, told WGAL-TV that the children, ages 2, 6 and 10, were "hanging in there."
"I'm devastated," Stanley said. "I lost my daughter. I lost my best friend. The children lost their parents."
Neighbors said the Hains were not outgoing, and several said Meleanie Hain wore her holstered gun regularly when walking the dog or going to the grocery store.
They said the children ran outside Wednesday night and reported that their father had shot their mother, but Wright declined to disclose what investigators have concluded about how the deaths occurred or what the children saw.
Aileen Fortna, who lives two doors away, said her husband noticed the two oldest children running past their house and crying. She watched as authorities removed the Hains' dead bodies overnight.
Fortna said the children told another neighbor that "daddy shot mommy." A police chaplain answered the door at that neighbor's home Thursday and declined to comment.
"I'm shocked at the whole thing," Fortna said. "I'm surprised she didn't defend herself."
Wright said more than one weapon was recovered from the home. He acknowledged reports that the couple might have been having marital difficulties.
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Meleanie Hain, 31, had run a day care at her home, and children's toys remained scattered in the front yard Thursday. A car parked in the driveway bore a badge-shaped sticker that read "NRA law enforcement."
Hain made headlines in 2008 when she attended a soccer game of her daughter, then 5, at a park with a Glock handgun holstered on her hip in plain view.
Nine days later, the sheriff revoked her license to carry and conceal a gun, citing a state law that prohibits certain gun permits from being given to people whose characters and reputations make them dangers to public safety.
A county judge overturned that decision but questioned Hain's judgment and said she had "scared the devil" out of people at the Sept. 11, 2008, game.
Hain claimed the sheriff's actions destroyed her baby-sitting service, resulted in her children being harassed and made her feel ostracized by her neighbors in Lebanon, which has about 25,000 residents.
The Hains filed a federal lawsuit against Sheriff Michael DeLeo and the county, alleging he violated Meleanie Hain's constitutional rights and prosecuted her maliciously. The suit was pending when she died. Her attorney, Matthew Weisberg, said he hopes to continue the litigation.
Weisberg said Hain told him about six months ago she and her husband, who was 33, had separated and three months ago she wanted to pursue a protective order against him. He said she wanted to have her husband's name removed from the lawsuit but that never happened.
"Whether they'd reconciled in the last couple of months, I don't know," Weisberg said.
LEBANON, Pa. — An autopsy was planned Friday for a suburban mother who last year shocked other parents by openly carrying a loaded handgun at her daughter's youth soccer game and this week was found shot dead with her husband in an apparent murder-suicide.
Meleanie Hain, who ran a baby-sitting service and became a voice of the gun rights movement, and Scott Hain, a parole officer, were found dead Wednesday inside their home in Pennsylvania Dutch country, but their three children were unharmed.
Police Chief Daniel Wright said he planned to disclose more about the case following autopsies expected to be performed Friday.
The couple's children were at a nearby house when police arrived Wednesday night to answer 911 calls from neighbors, Wright said.
Meleanie Hain's mother, Jenny Stanley, told WGAL-TV that the children, ages 2, 6 and 10, were "hanging in there."
"I'm devastated," Stanley said. "I lost my daughter. I lost my best friend. The children lost their parents."
Neighbors said the Hains were not outgoing, and several said Meleanie Hain wore her holstered gun regularly when walking the dog or going to the grocery store.
They said the children ran outside Wednesday night and reported that their father had shot their mother, but Wright declined to disclose what investigators have concluded about how the deaths occurred or what the children saw.
Aileen Fortna, who lives two doors away, said her husband noticed the two oldest children running past their house and crying. She watched as authorities removed the Hains' dead bodies overnight.
Fortna said the children told another neighbor that "daddy shot mommy." A police chaplain answered the door at that neighbor's home Thursday and declined to comment.
"I'm shocked at the whole thing," Fortna said. "I'm surprised she didn't defend herself."
Wright said more than one weapon was recovered from the home. He acknowledged reports that the couple might have been having marital difficulties.
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Meleanie Hain, 31, had run a day care at her home, and children's toys remained scattered in the front yard Thursday. A car parked in the driveway bore a badge-shaped sticker that read "NRA law enforcement."
Hain made headlines in 2008 when she attended a soccer game of her daughter, then 5, at a park with a Glock handgun holstered on her hip in plain view.
Nine days later, the sheriff revoked her license to carry and conceal a gun, citing a state law that prohibits certain gun permits from being given to people whose characters and reputations make them dangers to public safety.
A county judge overturned that decision but questioned Hain's judgment and said she had "scared the devil" out of people at the Sept. 11, 2008, game.
Hain claimed the sheriff's actions destroyed her baby-sitting service, resulted in her children being harassed and made her feel ostracized by her neighbors in Lebanon, which has about 25,000 residents.
The Hains filed a federal lawsuit against Sheriff Michael DeLeo and the county, alleging he violated Meleanie Hain's constitutional rights and prosecuted her maliciously. The suit was pending when she died. Her attorney, Matthew Weisberg, said he hopes to continue the litigation.
Weisberg said Hain told him about six months ago she and her husband, who was 33, had separated and three months ago she wanted to pursue a protective order against him. He said she wanted to have her husband's name removed from the lawsuit but that never happened.
"Whether they'd reconciled in the last couple of months, I don't know," Weisberg said.
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I'd say they didn't...Kythas wrote:"Whether they'd reconciled in the last couple of months, I don't know," Weisberg said.
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Re: Remember the "Pistol Packing" soccer mom?
it looks like there might be another (sort of) witness to the shooting. She was talking with a friend by webcam when the husband came in and shot her.
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Re: Remember the "Pistol Packing" soccer mom?
The friend on the other end of the wife's webcam may have been a new love
interest and the husband just snapped when he saw him.
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interest and the husband just snapped when he saw him.
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2nd Saturdays: Rudy's BBQ, N. Dallas Pkwy, N.bound, N. of Main St., Frisco.
3rd Saturdays: Golden Corral, 465 E. I-20, Collins St exit, Arlington.
4th Saturdays: Sunny St. Cafe, off I-20, Exit 415, Mikus Rd, Willow Park.
2nd Saturdays: Rudy's BBQ, N. Dallas Pkwy, N.bound, N. of Main St., Frisco.
3rd Saturdays: Golden Corral, 465 E. I-20, Collins St exit, Arlington.
4th Saturdays: Sunny St. Cafe, off I-20, Exit 415, Mikus Rd, Willow Park.
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Re: Remember the "Pistol Packing" soccer mom?
Objection your honor, speculation ....surprise_i'm_armed wrote:The friend on the other end of the wife's webcam may have been a new love
interest and the husband just snapped when he saw him.
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