AMC 30 30.06 Posting

[Wisewr]

Just visited the Gulf Pointe AMC 30 movie theater off the Beltway in the Pasadena area. Checked www.texas3006.com before I went and they said there was a 30.06 sign, but that it was not valid. I saw the sign, which I would have to agree does not meet the specifications laid out in the law. It was contrasting colors, white back ground with black letters, and used the correct language in both english and spanish. Three things I question about it; one, there are about 10 doors all side by side at the front and only entrance and the sign was posted on about the 2nd or 3rd door from the far left side. So if you bought your tickets at the ticket booth on the far right side and used the far right side door, you would probably miss it ( maybe mostly due to the size, which brings up #2). Two, the entire sign was about the size of a normal sheet of paper, 8 1/2" x 11", so I would say the lettering height was not correct because of the overal size of the sign. Thrid, and I'm not sure about this one, the law stats "block letters," every other sign I've seen is all capitalized, this sign the first letter of each sentence was the only letter capitalized. Does that matter? Even if that is a legal way to write it, the sign IMHO is not big enough and really needs to have a better posting. There were other signs, not 30.06 signs or gun control signs, which were posted on the each side of the doors which were large and clearly visible to everyone entering, not matter which side.

So I guess the real question here is, as far as the font goes, DOES IT HAVE TO LOOK LIKE THIS or Can it look like this?

[HankB]

I've always understood "block letters" to mean simple printed letters, which could be either upper or lower case. When specified (as on a form) it's an indication that one ought not use cursive script.

From your description of the sign, it was non-compliant anyway, and did NOT constitute legal notice being given, as it clearly did not even come close to meeting the requirements for character size.

[Kythas]

I've always understood "block letters" to mean simple printed letters, which could be either upper or lower case. When specified (as on a form) it's an indication that one ought not use cursive script.

From your description of the sign, it was non-compliant anyway, and did NOT constitute legal notice being given, as it clearly did not even come close to meeting the requirements for character size.

I've always understood "block letters" to be all capital letters.

However, I found this definition on Answers.com:

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Dictionary: block letter

n.

   1. A plain capital letter written or printed unjoined to a following or preceding letter.
   2. Printing.
         1. A sans-serif style of type.
         2. A letter printed or written sans serif.

For a definition of sans-serif, I found this wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sans-serif

[Wisewr]

I've always understood "block letters" to be all capital letters.

That's what I was thinking also. I havn't seen many 30.06 signs, but the ones I have seen are all capital letters which led me to believe that "block lettering" meant all capital.

[TDDude]

Two, the entire sign was about the size of a normal sheet of paper, 8 1/2" x 11", so I would say the lettering height was not correct because of the overal size of the sign.

This is your answer. It's not a legal posting but if you get busted, you will most likely go to jail. You will beat the rap (eventually) but it will cost you.

Tinseltown theatres are not posted. The one over on 290 near Bingle has regular priced features at $6.00. It's not the best part of town but so what? The theatre is nice enough and the popcorn is fresh.

[snorri]

If the lower case letters are also at least 1" tall then I would convict, but if the lower case letters are 3/4" tall then I would say it doesn't count as notice.

Disclaimer: I probably won't be on your jury.

[chamberc]

Two, the entire sign was about the size of a normal sheet of paper, 8 1/2" x 11", so I would say the lettering height was not correct because of the overal size of the sign.

This is your answer. It's not a legal posting but if you get busted, you will most likely go to jail. You will beat the rap (eventually) but it will cost you.

Tinseltown theatres are not posted. The one over on 290 near Bingle has regular priced features at $6.00. It's not the best part of town but so what? The theatre is nice enough and the popcorn is fresh.

Ding Ding Ding, we have a winner. Same excuse as if it were only posted at one door. You're probably going to take the ride....

[hurst_guy]

I went online and looked at AMC's site and am sending a etter to them. You can't do it as e-mail but it's worth a stamp to me to let them know they've lost my families business.

[SlowDave]

I'd not send the letter, as it may well end with them "fixing" their sign to become compliant. I would also make the decision to carry there. I personally feel this "taking the ride" thing is a bit overblown. Why?
1. Concealed is concealed. Why would anyone even find out I'm carrying.
2. If someone did find out that you were carrying and were unhappy about, I'm betting they would first just ask you to leave and if you did, no problem.
3. If someone found you were carrying and called the police, I think there's about a 50/50 chance that you would explain the situation to them and they'd ask you to leave and there would be no further problem.
4. If the police were called and you took the ride, I don't think it'd take a $10k lawyer battle to sort it out. I think you'd be released on short order.
5. If you got "outted" when you actually needed to use your weapon, then there will be plenty of lawyers and time to work out this small detail.

I have even considered whether, if I were not for my personal moral code, it's really worth getting the CHL. Why not just carry w/o? You don't have to go around showing your CHL to every LEO that asks. You're very unlikely to be found out, and if you are, I think it's a misdeamenor for just carrying w/o a license. Not sure, could someone clear that up for me. Of course, I do have mine and will keep it up to date. Just saying that I'm not sure it's technically worth it.

[C-dub]

I don't think the Cinemark theaters are posted either. Some do have the gunbuster sign, but the few I've been to haven't had any 30.06 sign legal or otherwise.

[Wisewr]

I don't think the Cinemark theaters are posted either. Some do have the gunbuster sign, but the few I've been to haven't had any 30.06 sign legal or otherwise.

Originally I told her, that is my wife, that I did not want to go there. I didn't tell her why because she would think that is a stupid reason. So I looked up show times at other theaters and AMC was the theater showing the movie we wanted to take the kids to at 10:00. Everything else was around lunch time. So I would normally have gone somewhere else, but she HAD to go to this 10:00 showing. Going off of www.texas3006.com, I knew there was a sign, but everyones comments said it was not legal, so I went ahead took a "huge" risk and carried. And amazingly, I didn't get outed. They were patting people down at the ticket booth and I had to tactically move around the security screening to keep from getting outed. Got 'em this time.

[davlanders]

Patting people down? Are you serious, or was that sarcastic?

[Wisewr]

Patting people down? Are you serious, or was that sarcastic?

Completly sarcastic.

[jimlongley]

I'd not send the letter, as it may well end with them "fixing" their sign to become compliant.

And I will still send the letter. Let them know, in every way possible, that their sign does not comply will the law and that they will lose business now, and if they choose to comply with the law and put up compliant signs, they will lose even more, and suggest the alternative "Unlicensed possession" signs. Compliant signs are big and ugly and most businesses are not going to want to comply and they discriminate against a segment of the population more law abiding than their average clientele.

The more businesses that are improperly posted get away with it, the more they think they can. Stop them, make them comply, don't accept excuses such as they know they don't comply but it's there for some sort of psychological well being of customers or employees, or to satisfy corporate in NY City, and they wouldn't prosecute. The only way they would not prosecute is if EVERY employee knows that they would not, which effectively would negate the improper posting anyway, so why bother. And if it's just some local manager or franchisee doing it on their own, maybe corporate will straighten them out.

Get the word out, make the statement, be activist, there is no excuse for not complying with the law, even if the law has no real teeth.

And 2011 is time to put some teeth in the law.

[C-dub]

Oops. I didn't realize that Tinseltown theaters are Cinemark. Sorry.