Weapon Lock box in car

[mr.72]

Good point about the Post Office - yeah, I guess the parking lot is off limits as well.

or neither the parking lot nor the building are off-limits, depending on how you choose to read the conflicting laws and regulations.

you have to get out of the car and open the back hatch, then open the well lid and put you gun in the box in plain sight of everyone who might be watching. The "concealed" part of your carry is totally compromised. It might even be illegal to pull your weapon out in the open to do this. Not sure about the law in that instance.

That would be "intentional failure to conceal" and it is not legal by any stretch. Of course I think you are still "intentionally" failing to conceal when disarming inside your car if you are visible doing so through the car windows or windshield. Seems like a mighty gray area at the minimum. There is almost no way to disarm in your car without intentionally failing to conceal. Right out in the open behind the vehicle, outside the vehicle, is most certainly a problem, though.

What I do is just put the gun in a bag of some kind (usually my messenger bag I carry most of the time, or a rectangular pistol rug) and then take that with me to the trunk and lock the bag in the trunk. It's a pain but it works :) However neither my bag nor my pistol rug (Uncle Mike's, one that came with a real nice range bag) will fit in one of these little car gun safes, so if you must lock it in something other than just "the trunk" then you might need a bigger lock box.

I drive a very small convertible. Nothing in the cabin of the car is ever going to be secure since a pocket knife gets you in. Since I don't like having to replace the top, I just leave the car unlocked all of the time. So I am used to locking everything of value in the trunk. Some of you probably have car gun safes that are bigger than the trunk of my car :)

[YabuUS]

mr72 wrote: Since I don't like having to replace the top, I just leave the car unlocked all of the time.

I see your point about the top being no deterrent to a thief with a pocket knife; but might not your insurance company see that as a failure to take reasonable precaution? They might give you an argument on a claim if your car was ever broken into. Just a thought.

[mr.72]

mr72 wrote: Since I don't like having to replace the top, I just leave the car unlocked all of the time.

I see your point about the top being no deterrent to a thief with a pocket knife; but might not your insurance company see that as a failure to take reasonable precaution? They might give you an argument on a claim if your car was ever broken into. Just a thought.

How is my car going to get "broken into" when the doors are unlocked? Any thief can just open the door and get into the car, rifle through my empty glove box (actually, believe it or not, there is a pair of *gasp* GLOVES in there ... along with a couple of spare headlamp bulbs... I hate getting tickets). Half the time the top is down anyway. I am not really concerned. There's nothing of value in my car, except for the trunk, which is quite secure.

[mr.72]

I wasn't familiar with what the CFR said about weapons at a post office so I did a little research. Seems this is a gray area according to some "experts" on the internet. I read the usual laws cited on this subject and it's not totally clear to me if the parking lot is considered part of the facility. But gray is gray and that is enough for me.

I suppose you have already read my posts on the topic. But "real property" is clear. That means the parking lot as well as the building. TX Law does not refer to post offices, but it says "premises" whenever talking about where you cannot carry. That's the confusion that most of us wind up with, thinking that the places we are prohibited from carrying are (according to TX law) almost always "premises", and parking lots are ok, but the CFR for post offices shows "real property" which includes parking lots for sure.

YMMV. I kind of wish someone would be the "test case" for this so we'd get some clarity.

[03Lightningrocks]

I looked at some of these lock boxes and noticed they have holes that can be used to bolt them down. This would help some but I also noticed many of the lock boxes appear to be real easy to pry open with a big flat head screw driver.

[CLTX11]

I just picked up the secure it from Cabelas, bought it cause it is more in my budget area right now.
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Haven't heard to many bad things about the keyed one. The cable is a little thin but they will need some heavy duty snips or bolt cutter's, upgrading to a thicker cable won't help since this one is still thick enough to need something heavy duty.

This will at least save me in a smash and grab, I mostly will use it in the parking lot of my work which is secluded from the public with no trespassing signs.

[stevie_d_64]

The main point to all of this is obvious...And most have already figurd it out...

The idea is to slow down the thief as much as possible...Smash and grabbers will be deterred by most "systems", that is a battle you'll win almost everytime...

If they get your vehicle, sure, it'll be gone...But other things kick in when that happens...I would make sure I have the serial numbers handy to give investigators in this situation...Other than that, that is what we have insurance for, and backup rigs to continue carrying...

I also do not just leave anything in those vehicle safes overnight, or for any extended period of time...But that's just me...

[A-R]

On a related note, for those "Secure-It" lockboxes you get at Cabelas and elsewhere, I've found these handy 3-digit combo locks are usually a direct replacement for the weak little key locks that come with the boxes. Stronger and more secure, IMHO. Plus quicker to open (don't have to fumble for your keys). I keep my bedside gun in one of these at night and can unlock the combo and have gun in my hand in seconds in darkness (have trained my fingers to find the rollers and roll each one the correct number of "clicks").

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[pedalman]

I just picked up the secure it from Cabelas, bought it cause it is more in my budget area right now.
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Haven't heard to many bad things about the keyed one. The cable is a little thin but they will need some heavy duty snips or bolt cutter's, upgrading to a thicker cable won't help since this one is still thick enough to need something heavy duty.

This will at least save me in a smash and grab, I mostly will use it in the parking lot of my work which is secluded from the public with no trespassing signs.

I've been using one of these in my truck for a while. Haven't had any lock issues, yet.

[wford]

I use as a lockbox as I feel it would help reduce my liability if someone gained access to my weapon. I could at least show due diligence(if I'm using that term
correctly)

[mtn44]

I used to not use a safe within my truck and have to leave the firearm as the employer posts and threatens termination for carrying. I lost an officers model to a daylight truck break-in. Now I use a Gunvault which has sustained a break-in with minimal damage. I could definately tell the burglar tried to get into the safe through beating on it and prying with a flat head screwdriver. Primarily, anything can be breached with enough time but so far it has kept me from having to report another lost firearm. I think they are worth it especially for carrying under the MPA as they can be quickly opened and remain concealed under a back seat within reach.

[Dave905]

I have one of the secure box's you can purchase at Cabelas. Went to Houston to attend a funeral last week in August. I redrilled new holes to fit the console box bolts in my F250. While attending the service, some #@##@# broke into my truck, stole the GPS unit in the console but they did not get the gun. Only time I've been to Houston too. It was money and a little time well spent.

[cynthia14]

Rectangular container, usually made of chrome or partly made of chrome-plated bars. Nine out of ten blocks are embedded more convenient for users to choose the number of the gun and close the window without forgetting to lock it. There are other reasons to own these safe, but there is nothing more important than the safety of children around guns, so if you have children, then it is essential that you have insurance for your gun.

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[Pawpaw]

[paulhailes]

I think we also have to consider anything that is going to slow a thief down will work to deter them. They don't want to be sitting going through your stuff for 10 min they want to be done as soon as possible. I have a nanovault attached under my passenger seat, and I know I could get it open or detached if I tried but I also know it would take a little time, and some tools I don't normally carry on me. IMO there is no way to secure your weapon 100% while it is in your vehicle, we can just do our best to deter any would be thiefs from taking the time to get it, and I hear those nanovault like lockboxes work great for TSA and air travel.