What do you think about the 10 mm? How does it measure up against the .40 cal?
I would like to get dh a gun by Christmas (I'll need to start saving), but would like to get something nice for home defense and for carry, should he change his mind. (He doesn't think he needs to carry.)
dh wants a 10 mm
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dh wants a 10 mm
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The 10mm is a really versatile cartridge. There's ammunition available at many different power levels. It's good for everything from plinking tin cans to hunting fairly large game animals.
There are quite a few pistols chambered for the 10mm cartridge as well. If your mans hands are large then I highly recommend the Glock model 20. It has a history of being accurate and reliable right out of the box and it's large frame is easily tamed, even with hot ammo. On the down side, it's pretty difficult to conceal if he ever does decide to get his CHL.
Another option is the Glock 29. It's a scaled down version of the 20. Easily concealed, reliable, but takes a bit more skill to tame. If you shop around, you can find either model new in box for around $500 or even a little less.
A 1911 chambered in 10mm might be a good choice. Be aware though that they tend to be problematic at first. Either requiring some minor fitting to fine tune it or a whole lot of shooting to break it in.
If you go the 1911 route, the ONLY makers pistol I would buy is Kimber. They have several models ranging from $700-1000. AVOID used 1911's unless you know the person selling it to you and trust them. A kitchen table gunsmith can wreck a 1911 in about 10 seconds.
Don't buy a Dan Wesson RZ-10. The RZ is a nice gun but Dan Wesson was taken over by CZ last year and they're having a lot of issues with the 1911 platform at this time. Things like brass hitting the shooter between the eyes, slide locking back prematurely and failures to extract. At $800+ the current RZ-10 doesn't make the grade imho.
Finally, there's the Witness This is an Italian made CZ clone. Some folks have guns that work, others are not so fortunate and have a lot of problems. Frame cracking comes to mind. Not to mention spare mags are expensive and hard to find.
These are the cheapest and can be had for under $400 but as usual, you get what you pay for.
In my opinion, the Glock 10mm in either the large or compact version is the only way to go. Out of the box reliability, great warranty, abundance of accessories available, magazines hold 15 rounds and can be had for $15 or less.
YMMV.
Check out http://www.10mmtalk.com I have the same user name over there.
The 10mm is a really versatile cartridge. There's ammunition available at many different power levels. It's good for everything from plinking tin cans to hunting fairly large game animals.
There are quite a few pistols chambered for the 10mm cartridge as well. If your mans hands are large then I highly recommend the Glock model 20. It has a history of being accurate and reliable right out of the box and it's large frame is easily tamed, even with hot ammo. On the down side, it's pretty difficult to conceal if he ever does decide to get his CHL.
Another option is the Glock 29. It's a scaled down version of the 20. Easily concealed, reliable, but takes a bit more skill to tame. If you shop around, you can find either model new in box for around $500 or even a little less.
A 1911 chambered in 10mm might be a good choice. Be aware though that they tend to be problematic at first. Either requiring some minor fitting to fine tune it or a whole lot of shooting to break it in.
If you go the 1911 route, the ONLY makers pistol I would buy is Kimber. They have several models ranging from $700-1000. AVOID used 1911's unless you know the person selling it to you and trust them. A kitchen table gunsmith can wreck a 1911 in about 10 seconds.
Don't buy a Dan Wesson RZ-10. The RZ is a nice gun but Dan Wesson was taken over by CZ last year and they're having a lot of issues with the 1911 platform at this time. Things like brass hitting the shooter between the eyes, slide locking back prematurely and failures to extract. At $800+ the current RZ-10 doesn't make the grade imho.
Finally, there's the Witness This is an Italian made CZ clone. Some folks have guns that work, others are not so fortunate and have a lot of problems. Frame cracking comes to mind. Not to mention spare mags are expensive and hard to find.
These are the cheapest and can be had for under $400 but as usual, you get what you pay for.
In my opinion, the Glock 10mm in either the large or compact version is the only way to go. Out of the box reliability, great warranty, abundance of accessories available, magazines hold 15 rounds and can be had for $15 or less.
YMMV.
Check out http://www.10mmtalk.com I have the same user name over there.
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The 10mm is a powerful, accurate round - - - that said, the .40 is a better choice IMHO for self defense. My reasons are: 1. The .40 recoils less. 2. Better selection of ammunition. 3. Ammunition availability - - - you can buy .40 at Wal-Mart - - - 10mm is hard to find sometimes. 4. Better selection of guns.
The .40 was designed because the 10mm was too hard for the average person to shoot well. In all honesty, from my observations at IDPA events, I've seen very few people who shot a 10mm as well as they shot a .40. YMMV
The .40 was designed because the 10mm was too hard for the average person to shoot well. In all honesty, from my observations at IDPA events, I've seen very few people who shot a 10mm as well as they shot a .40. YMMV
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MoJo wrote:The 10mm is a powerful, accurate round - - - that said, the .40 is a better choice IMHO for self defense. My reasons are: 1. The .40 recoils less. 2. Better selection of ammunition. 3. Ammunition availability - - - you can buy .40 at Wal-Mart - - - 10mm is hard to find sometimes. 4. Better selection of guns.
The .40 was designed because the 10mm was too hard for the average person to shoot well. In all honesty, from my observations at IDPA events, I've seen very few people who shot a 10mm as well as they shot a .40. YMMV
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Quote: " I've seen very few people who shot a 10mm as well as they shot a .40. YMMV "
+1 there as that's what the shot timer and targets confirmed for me. But, as HV sez, especially with the Glocks, there's a lot of versatility to be had - such as aftermarket .40 barrels.
FWIW, a cop at range earlier this week said he'd read an article by the head honcho at Bar-Sto Barrels (one of which I have for Glock 29). He said of all the testing they'd done, 10mm was the most accurate semi-cartridge ...
Now if the operator can just do his part ...
+1 there as that's what the shot timer and targets confirmed for me. But, as HV sez, especially with the Glocks, there's a lot of versatility to be had - such as aftermarket .40 barrels.
FWIW, a cop at range earlier this week said he'd read an article by the head honcho at Bar-Sto Barrels (one of which I have for Glock 29). He said of all the testing they'd done, 10mm was the most accurate semi-cartridge ...
Now if the operator can just do his part ...
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20 yards, off hand. I'd say it shoots pretty well.Greybeard wrote: FWIW, a cop at range earlier this week said he'd read an article by the head honcho at Bar-Sto Barrels (one of which I have for Glock 29). He said of all the testing they'd done, 10mm was the most accurate semi-cartridge ...
Now if the operator can just do his part ...
7 yards offhand even better.
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It sounds like I may go with the .40 cal, based on what many of you are saying.
HighVelocity, you gave me a lot of info on the 10mm, but it sounds like the quality makers are limited.
When we looked at some at Academy, he did seem to like the .40 cal Glock. I may end up going with that.
We'll see. I'll keep reading. I have until Christmas to save and look around.
HighVelocity, you gave me a lot of info on the 10mm, but it sounds like the quality makers are limited.
When we looked at some at Academy, he did seem to like the .40 cal Glock. I may end up going with that.
We'll see. I'll keep reading. I have until Christmas to save and look around.
"If a man breaks in your house, he ain't there for iced tea." Mom & Dad.
The NRA & TSRA are a bargain; they're much cheaper than the cold, dead hands experience.
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