modern isosceles stance?

[JLaw]

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JLaw

(just having fun, txinvestigator, thanks for the good information in the post)

[txinvestigator]

I like the traditional (I think) Isosceles stance. Straight arms. Straight body. With that stance, I always bring the gun back to the same place. With a Weaver stance, I found my feet would end up in different places. My body twist wasn't consistent. My arm position differed a lot. With a plain Isosceles, it was always the same. My bone structure takes me there. Each time. Every time. As I get better I might try different stances. For now, I stick with what's consistent.

Isosceles is a fine stance. If it works, its a good stance. I don't care for Weaver either.

[txinvestigator]

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JLaw

(just having fun, txinvestigator, thanks for the good information in the post)

Your a nut!



I did a set of pics of the 5 count draw, if anyone is interested.

[JLaw]

txinvestigator, I am interested in the pics of the 5 count draw. Could you please post them at your convenience??

Thank you.

JLaw

[RedRaider]

if you ever want to go to the range let me know. i shoot at a private range about an hour or less from College Station. i can teach you the basics (if you wish) much easier in person than on the internet.

sure, i would like that. any help is always good help :) i'll send you a private message if i ever get enough free time to myself for more than an hour. im in summer school right now so it's pretty tough, the only practice i ever get is going to champion in the afternoon for an hour or so.

I've seen therooster shoot at the XD monthly match, he's an excellent shooter and I highly recomend you take him up on his offer.

[seamusTX]

I have noticed that I can fire off the first 50 rounds or so using the weaver stance pretty nicely, but when I start getting into 100+ my shots start getting progressively worse.

Eye fatigue. Muscle fatigue.

I make a practice of looking at the blank sky between strings of shots. I let my eyes relax completely. This is more important if you're over 40 and in bifocals country.

I also set down my weapon and stretch my strong arm, rotating it over my head from the shoulder a couple of times.

Exactly what you do with the weapon during this exercise is, of course, determined by range rules. I am able to shoot alone on private property and make my own rules.

I'm not a medalist, so take this advice for what it's worth.

- Jim

[txinvestigator]

txinvestigator, I am interested in the pics of the 5 count draw. Could you please post them at your convenience??

Thank you.

JLaw

Sure. I will start a new thread called "5 count draw"

[ElGato]

well im really not sure what i'm doing wrong then. one 5-round "burst" will be great, and then the next one will be like 3 fliers and 2 rounds maybe near the target.

it's very frustrating


You might stay away from 5-round "burst" for someone starting out The first shot is the most important right now, shoot every shot like it was the only shot you are going to shoot today, then relax, aquire the target and shoot your first shot again. When you get the first shot right every time start to work on the second shot.

Speed will come, start slow and get the basics.

Go shoot with Rooster he could get you started right so you don't develop habits that you will have to change later, even very experienced shooters are alway's learning.

[TxFire]

Well after a little testing (spurred by this thread) I may have been using the wrong eye all this time. It appears I am "cross dominant" (right handed, Left eye dominant). Wow! I gotta get to the range soon.

[txinvestigator]

Well after a little testing (spurred by this thread) I may have been using the wrong eye all this time. It appears I am "cross dominant" (right handed, Left eye dominant). Wow! I gotta get to the range soon.

An easy test. Stand in a room and focus at a point across the room. Keep both eyes opsn, take your shooting finger and bring it up and point it at the object you are focusing on.

Once you have your finger there, close your eye on the opposite side from your dominate hand.

If you are dead on, then thats your dominate eye. If you are off, open both eyes, lower you hands and repeat, only this time close the eye on the dominant side. If you are now on, you are cross dominant.

If you ARE cross dominant ther are a couple of solutions.

[BobCat]

To answer your original question, there is a book entitled _Surgical Speed SHooting_ by a guy named Andy Stanford. He talks at length about the "Modern Isosceles" stance and how it is so much better than the Weaver. I got a copy from Alibris for about $15. Not sure it was worth it, but not sure it was wasted, either.

In my opinion, you are better off emulating the pictures already posted and following the advice already posted.

I often put a piece of Scotch tape over the lense of my my non-dominant eye-glass, to allow light in but obscure the double image. Some people say that squinting the off-side eye leads to eye fatigue. They tell me to ignore the double image but it is not that easy.

Obviously, in a "real" situation you will not have time to tape up your glasses, or change to your shooting (near) prescription so you can have a sharp-focus front sight.

Some people say to take a breath, let half out, and hold the rest - for each shot. The Highpower Rifle people say to let it all out and break the shot during the "respiratory pause" - after you exhale, there are a few seconds when you don't need to "hold" your breath, and don't feel the urge to inhale. Again, in a "real" situation this is not going to be any help; but punching paper at the range, it can help improve your groups.

I hope this helps.

Regards,
Andrew

[seamusTX]

The Highpower Rifle people say to let it all out and break the shot during the "respiratory pause" - after you exhale, there are a few seconds when you don't need to "hold" your breath, and don't feel the urge to inhale.

The Army pistol marksmanship manual also says this, and it's what I do. The manual explains why it's the right way to shoot pistols.

Again, in a "real" situation this is not going to be any help; ...

In a real-life flight-or-fight situation, if you're not prepared, your breathing will go haywire. Either you'll stop breathing or start panting.

Athletes and other performers train themselves to breathe, and I think it's a good idea. That's not to say I'm successful. When I'm startled, I stop breathing.

- Jim

[BobCat]

Jim,

You are right, they say it for pistol too; I was just parroting what my "mentors" in Highpower told me.

In case anyone wants the Army Pistol Marksmanship Manual, it is at http://bullseyepistol.com/ under the heading, Perfecting Technique.

Regards,
Andrew

[txinvestigator]

Jim,

You are right, they say it for pistol too; I was just parroting what my "mentors" in Highpower told me.

In case anyone wants the Army Pistol Marksmanship Manual, it is at http://bullseyepistol.com/ under the heading, Perfecting Technique.

Regards,
Andrew

Unless you are making slow, deliberate precision shots, I think you just need to breath. I practice shooting while moving foward, rearward, laterally, diagonally, etc. You gotta breath.