CHLer shootout with burger king robber

[attila79]

Well I always get beat, but I did a quick check and it doesn't seem anybody has posted this. If it is posted sorry...


http://www.miamiherald.com/news/breakin ... 65735.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


1 dead, one injured in Miami Burger King shooting
By ROBERT SAMUELS AND JENNIFER LEBOVICH
jlebovich@MiamiHerald.com

One man was killed and another seriously wounded in a shootout inside a Miami Burger King on Tuesday, officials said.

Police said a man wearing a ski mask walked into the store at Biscayne Boulevard and 54th Street and demanded money from a clerk.

A customer, who has a concealed weapons permit, pulled a gun, said Officer Jeff Giordano, a Miami police spokesman.

The customer and robber exchanged fire.

The robber was shot dead at the scene.

The customer, who had several gunshot wounds, was taken to Ryder Trauma Center in serious but stable condition, said Lt. Ignatius Carroll, a Miami Fire Rescue spokesman.

At about 4 p.m., officials got several 911 calls reporting people shot inside the Burger King.

[HighVelocity]

I could Monday morning QB the heck out of this one but I'll just say that I hope the good guy recovers fully from his injuries.

[flb_78]

Probably ran out of chicken nuggets again and he wasn't going to call the cops this time!!!

[GlockDA]

Here's the Miami CBS website's headline:

"Robber Dies In Miami Burger King Shooting"

http://cbs4.com/local/Burger.King.Shoot ... 66789.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Why not "CHL Holder Stops Burger King Robber"? Or maybe "Hero Halts Crime in Progress"? Or one of many other alternatives?

God bless the injured hero.

[ClarkLZeuss]

The customer and robber exchanged fire.

The robber was shot dead at the scene.

The customer, who had several gunshot wounds, was taken to Ryder Trauma Center in serious but stable condition...

So, the customer clearly was the better shot, and probably got the jump on the robber, as he survived and the bad guy didn't. But I'm confused: why was he shot at all? I often picture myself in these scenarios...would I give a verbal warning first, then fire? Maybe that's what he did, but instead of surrendering, the bad guy turned and shot at him? I'm really interested in how this went down, tactically.

At about 4 p.m., officials got several 911 calls reporting people shot inside the Burger King.

Yikes, there goes my theory that these sort of situations only happen late at night!

[03Lightningrocks]

Here's the Miami CBS website's headline:

"Robber Dies In Miami Burger King Shooting"

http://cbs4.com/local/Burger.King.Shoot ... 66789.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Why not "CHL Holder Stops Burger King Robber"? Or maybe "Hero Halts Crime in Progress"? Or one of many other alternatives?

God bless the injured hero.

I honestly believe that most of the media hates it when the good guy wins.

[DEADEYE1964]

How many of you would have engaged this robber in a gun fight ? I did not get my CHL to stop a place from being robbed, since we were not there, we do not know if the good guy's life was threatened and that would be a different story but my decision has already been made, I am not going to get into a shootout with someone over a robbery unless I feel necessary. I know, we cannot read his mind, he might have started shooting people next but this could of turned out a lot worse. This is a decision that our guy made on circumstances that took place that we do not know the actual facts so we have to assume he felt this was the best plan of action and his hand might have been forced.

You would think, for the CHL'ER to engage, he would of had a good shot at the guy and shot first but the bad guy shot back several times( assuming), curious as to what caliber our good guy was using,
Unfortunately the bad guy was able to shoot back and hit our good guy. We can only pray for him and his family and be glad another scum is removed from society.

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[03Lightningrocks]

How many of you would have engaged this robber in a gun fight ? I did not get my CHL to stop a place from being robbed, since we were not there, we do not know if the good guy's life was threatened and that would be a different story but my decision has already been made, I am not going to get into a shootout with someone over a robbery unless I feel necessary. I know, we cannot read his mind, he might have started shooting people next but this could of turned out a lot worse. This is a decision that our guy made on circumstances that took place that we do not know the actual facts so we have to assume he felt this was the best plan of action and his hand might have been forced.

You would think, for the CHL'ER to engage, he would of had a good shot at the guy and shot first but the bad guy shot back several times( assuming), curious as to what caliber our good guy was using,
Unfortunately the bad guy was able to shoot back and hit our good guy. We can only pray for him and his family and be glad another scum is removed from society.

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Unfortunately, we don't have all the intricacies of the shootout just yet. I tend to think along the same lines as you. I don't know that i would draw my weapon to stop a robbery unless I had reason to believe someone was about to be shot. It is hard to know unless you get into this spot.

[dewayneward]

I too am very interested in this one as this is a possible scenario for a lot of people. I mean, it was a crowded restaurant (and some would argue that I am offending the word restaurant by referencing it to BK) and this guy pulls on the robber. I am trying to figure out what they mean by "argue" in the report. I dont know if I would have said anything to the robber, if I had a shot (and my life was in danager), I would have stopped the bad guy and not "argued" with him.

I also want to know what caliber of weapon both were using. I have a 9mm and I certainly dont want to have an "exchange" of gunfire, but rather a "1 shot drop" because if I am at a BK, I will be with my family and I want to stop the person from hurting my family.

[stevie_d_64]

"No greater love hath a man than to lay down his life for another" -- (John15:13)

Seems to me that regardless of the fatalistic perception one could label this mans action in this incident, I find the action to be refreshing...

You certainly have a choice to step in, or step out of acting on this, if you put yourself in this guys shoes...

None of us ever expect to be put into a situation like this, nor do we seek it out...

Just be committed to the decision you make and be prepared to accept the responsibility and be accountable for your action...

[03Lightningrocks]

I also want to know what caliber of weapon both were using. I have a 9mm and I certainly dont want to have an "exchange" of gunfire, but rather a "1 shot drop" because if I am at a BK, I will be with my family and I want to stop the person from hurting my family.

I'm not trying to be a know it all here, but I think the "one shot drop" is pretty much a movie scene. Your shot would have to be just right to drop em in their tracks. There will almost always be enough time for a BG to get at least one or two rounds off at you. Unless you hit them with some kind of brain shot, which is really not recommended as you have a higher chance of missing. Center of mass , shoot and move are your best bets. this is exactly why I would be hesitant to draw unless a life were on the line. There is almost sure to be some back and forth shots fired.

[frazzled]

How many of you would have engaged this robber in a gun fight ? I did not get my CHL to stop a place from being robbed, since we were not there, we do not know if the good guy's life was threatened and that would be a different story but my decision has already been made, I am not going to get into a shootout with someone over a robbery unless I feel necessary. I know, we cannot read his mind, he might have started shooting people next but this could of turned out a lot worse. This is a decision that our guy made on circumstances that took place that we do not know the actual facts so we have to assume he felt this was the best plan of action and his hand might have been forced.

You would think, for the CHL'ER to engage, he would of had a good shot at the guy and shot first but the bad guy shot back several times( assuming), curious as to what caliber our good guy was using,
Unfortunately the bad guy was able to shoot back and hit our good guy. We can only pray for him and his family and be glad another scum is removed from society.

.

Unfortunately, we don't have all the intricacies of the shootout just yet. I tend to think along the same lines as you. I don't know that i would draw my weapon to stop a robbery unless I had reason to believe someone was about to be shot. It is hard to know unless you get into this spot.

Well we don't know how we will react in the real world do we? I'd proffer many more would draw then not as an instinctive reaction-on its face its a threat to our life and limb and thats even before we add in the factor of whether our family members are there. We'd all like to think we are cool Jules Pulp Fiction guys ina restaurant, but who knows?

[Biga9999]

Hopefully most of us will never know how we will react.

But at least we will be prepared to act if we have to.

[frazzled]

Hopefully most of us will never know how we will react.

But at least we will be prepared to act if we have to.

True words, true words.

[bdickens]

Why are we second guessing that this guy shot the robber? None of us were there. Maybe if more citizens would shoot these cretins when they act up it would send them a message.