Impeach Obama

[jimlongley]

Jim I have a problem with you stating that Hawaii has stated that Obama was born in Hawaii. Please provide the exact quote and cite the source of the Hawaiin official who has stated that Obama was born in Hawaii.

For that I'll refer you back to the thirteenth post, on page one, of this thread.

[Oldgringo]

mr.72 wrote:

Without dealing with the other errors in your post,...

DANG! Can't nobody get nothin' right???

[Right2Carry]

Jim I have a problem with you stating that Hawaii has stated that Obama was born in Hawaii. Please provide the exact quote and cite the source of the Hawaiin official who has stated that Obama was born in Hawaii.

For that I'll refer you back to the thirteenth post, on page one, of this thread.

Like I said you haven't provided the quote from a Hawaiian official. There is no quote from the thirteenth post but a link to a snopes article can be found. In the article there is nothing that quotes any Hawaiian official as stating Barack was born in Hawaii. There is a misleading headline, but when you read the article you can actually discover what the Hawaiian official said. What the official said was that they had Obama's birth certificate and they verified that it was his birth certificate. They stopped short of saying Obama was born in Hawaii and they didn't say the birth certificate was from Hawaii.

Again I implore you to read up on Hawaii's laws about COLB's from the state site. A birth announcement means nothing as anyone can pay to have a birth announcement put in the paper. Snopes has been known to have a political agenda.

Again I ask you to cite the source and the quote from a Hawaiian official who has stated Barack was born in Hawaii. So far you have failed to do so.

[jimlongley]

Again I ask you to cite the source and the quote from a Hawaiian official who has stated Barack was born in Hawaii. So far you have failed to do so.

You obviously haven't followed all of the links available.

Why, instead, don't you prove that no Hawaiian official has ever said that bambam was born in Hawaii?

[Right2Carry]

Again I ask you to cite the source and the quote from a Hawaiian official who has stated Barack was born in Hawaii. So far you have failed to do so.

You obviously haven't followed all of the links available.

Why, instead, don't you prove that no Hawaiian official has ever said that bambam was born in Hawaii?

Jim,

Why not just prove it since you have stated it? Are you taking a page out of the Obama plan? I asked you to provide the quote and cite the source of the hawaiian official who stated Obama was born in Hawaii, a pretty simple request if you ask me.

I am only asking you to back up what you posted, nothing more. If you feel that backing up your statements isn't worth your time, just say so.

You might want to check this out while you are at it.

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atla ... usive.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[jimlongley]

Again I ask you to cite the source and the quote from a Hawaiian official who has stated Barack was born in Hawaii. So far you have failed to do so.

You obviously haven't followed all of the links available.

Why, instead, don't you prove that no Hawaiian official has ever said that bambam was born in Hawaii?

Jim,

Why not just prove it since you have stated it? Are you taking a page out of the Obama plan? I asked you to provide the quote and cite the source of the hawaiian official who stated Obama was born in Hawaii, a pretty simple request if you ask me.

I am only asking you to back up what you posted, nothing more. If you feel that backing up your statements isn't worth your time, just say so.

You might want to check this out while you are at it.

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atla ... usive.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And while you're at it, check these out.

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/ ... rtificate/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washing ... birth.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Oldgringo]

Again I ask you to cite the source and the quote from a Hawaiian official who has stated Barack was born in Hawaii. So far you have failed to do so.

You obviously haven't followed all of the links available.

Why, instead, don't you prove that no Hawaiian official has ever said that bambam was born in Hawaii?

Jim,

Why not just prove it since you have stated it? Are you taking a page out of the Obama plan? I asked you to provide the quote and cite the source of the hawaiian official who stated Obama was born in Hawaii, a pretty simple request if you ask me.

I am only asking you to back up what you posted, nothing more. If you feel that backing up your statements isn't worth your time, just say so.

You might want to check this out while you are at it.

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atla ... usive.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

As mr.72 so astutely pointed out several posts ago, this matter should have been addressed by the DOJ and brought before the courts PRIOR to the election under the Bush administration. For whatever reasons, that didn't happen and now Barack Hussein Obama is the POTUS - win, lose or draw.

What we must now do is gird our loins, guard our flanks, prepare, and be prepared in 2012 when we have an opportunity to elect a new POTUS...if this one doesn't work out.

[Right2Carry]

Again I ask you to cite the source and the quote from a Hawaiian official who has stated Barack was born in Hawaii. So far you have failed to do so.

You obviously haven't followed all of the links available.

Why, instead, don't you prove that no Hawaiian official has ever said that bambam was born in Hawaii?

Jim,

Why not just prove it since you have stated it? Are you taking a page out of the Obama plan? I asked you to provide the quote and cite the source of the hawaiian official who stated Obama was born in Hawaii, a pretty simple request if you ask me.

I am only asking you to back up what you posted, nothing more. If you feel that backing up your statements isn't worth your time, just say so.

You might want to check this out while you are at it.

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atla ... usive.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And while you're at it, check these out.

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/ ... rtificate/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washing ... birth.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I still don't see the quote. It's ok to admit you are wrong, it happens sometimes.

[jimlongley]

Again I ask you to cite the source and the quote from a Hawaiian official who has stated Barack was born in Hawaii. So far you have failed to do so.

You obviously haven't followed all of the links available.

Why, instead, don't you prove that no Hawaiian official has ever said that bambam was born in Hawaii?

Jim,

Why not just prove it since you have stated it? Are you taking a page out of the Obama plan? I asked you to provide the quote and cite the source of the hawaiian official who stated Obama was born in Hawaii, a pretty simple request if you ask me.

I am only asking you to back up what you posted, nothing more. If you feel that backing up your statements isn't worth your time, just say so.

You might want to check this out while you are at it.

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atla ... usive.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And while you're at it, check these out.

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/ ... rtificate/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washing ... birth.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I still don't see the quote. It's ok to admit you are wrong, it happens sometimes.

You must have missed this part.

"So what if a Hawaii Health Department spokeswoman later clarified that Fukino meant that Obama was born in Hawaii?"

[mr.72]

Why, instead, don't you prove that no Hawaiian official has ever said that bambam was born in Hawaii?

It is fundamentally impossible to prove that anything doesn't exist or did not happen.

However it should be absolutely possible to prove that some affirmative thing did indeed happen, or at least to agree that no such proof exists.

By the way, I don't have a dog in this hunt. It is my personal opinion that BHO does not have any valid proof that he was born in the USA but the majority of people have successfully painted anyone who thinks it matters as some kind of fringe conspiracy theorists. Winning in the courts is irrelevant if you have already conceded defeat in the court of public opinion and unfortunately that is where we are right now.

FWIW all of these people who are not so steadfast about the requirements for the president to be a natural born citizen are not likely to agree to any hardline interpretation of the 2A either. By hardline I mean, it means what it says. Remember when we start throwing out anything in the constitution, it becomes a slippery slope, you might as well throw the whole thing out. If there is no way to bring a lawsuit or some other remedy to address whatever challenge there might be to a candidate's eligibility, then there is no teeth or meaning to the requirement to the begin with. The law is not a meaningful law if there is no punishment or verdict to be determined.

Either way it's too late to do anything about it.

[jimlongley]

Why, instead, don't you prove that no Hawaiian official has ever said that bambam was born in Hawaii?

It is fundamentally impossible to prove that anything doesn't exist or did not happen.

However it should be absolutely possible to prove that some affirmative thing did indeed happen, or at least to agree that no such proof exists.

By the way, I don't have a dog in this hunt. It is my personal opinion that BHO does not have any valid proof that he was born in the USA but the majority of people have successfully painted anyone who thinks it matters as some kind of fringe conspiracy theorists. Winning in the courts is irrelevant if you have already conceded defeat in the court of public opinion and unfortunately that is where we are right now.

FWIW all of these people who are not so steadfast about the requirements for the president to be a natural born citizen are not likely to agree to any hardline interpretation of the 2A either. By hardline I mean, it means what it says. Remember when we start throwing out anything in the constitution, it becomes a slippery slope, you might as well throw the whole thing out. If there is no way to bring a lawsuit or some other remedy to address whatever challenge there might be to a candidate's eligibility, then there is no teeth or meaning to the requirement to the begin with. The law is not a meaningful law if there is no punishment or verdict to be determined.

Either way it's too late to do anything about it.

And it is my opinion, stated before, and unchanged by any argument presented by you or any of the others who seem to be willing to let themselves be cast as "fringe conspiracy theorists" on here, that it's a losing fight, that even those of us who tacitly agree with you see it as the ultimate in Quixotic ventures to even talk about trying to impeach on such a weak theorum, that it's wrassling with the pig. I, personally, would prefer not to be painted with the rest of you.

And I agree that throwing out any part of the constitution is risky business, but then again I haven't seen any part actually thrown out, all I have seen is the same sort of posturing and puffery that the Gore forces did after Bush was declared the winner of the election, nothing substantive.

Yes, there do seem to be no teeth in the requirement because even the Supreme Court didn't bother to insist that a birth certificate be presented, which is why I suggest that getting a law passed, or a new amendment, might be what it takes to prevent just this sort of thing in the future. It's not a very meaningful law, even if we were taught different in grade school.

There is a lot of twisting and spinning going on, declarations that this person didn't really say what they were quoted as saying, deep analysis of comma placement in published articles, and hair splitting beyond the range of an electron microscope's resolution, and none of it is being heard beyond the choir loft. His, probably senile, grandmother remembers him being born in one place, but his mother says different. His mother was or wasn't a citizen by this means or that, or wasn't in the country long enough before or after his birth. His birth announcement in the paper was a carefully crafted conspiracy that was placed just to forestall such an eventuality as his run for the presidency.

By the way, although Right2Carry states that anyone can have a birth announcement put in the paper, it used to be that the papers routinely published that stuff without being paid for it, a practice most of them stopped in the 60s due to scams and burglaries that were taking place when they ran such things as "Mr. and Mrs. Anonymous left for a six weeks vacation . . ." It was free, not paid, and I would be willing to be that the birth announcement was just that kind of thing.

I can also recall when it wasn't against federal law to murder a president, so the FBI had to be "invited" to take part in the investigation of JFK's murder, which of course was grossly fouled up by the Dallas Police Department when they failed to catch all of the shooters and then manufactured a coverup of their incompetence.

I ask again, do you know what state Lincoln was born in?

[KD5NRH]

I ask again, do you know what state Lincoln was born in?

Cold, wet, and confused, just like the rest of us.

OTOH, at this point, I'd be more interested in seeing those school records he's being so protective of. There's only one relevant thing the birth certificate could really reveal, and that has nothing to do with character, only eligibility. The school records could contain a lot of damaging information.

[Right2Carry]

Well Jim I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on this. I mean now that we have mindreaders who can state what Fukino meant when she made her statement, why rely on the words that actually came out of her mouth.

Lincoln and the other Presidents never had their citizenship questioned, but I bet if they had, they would have been more than willing to produce a birth certificate. I tend to believe Obama is hiding something. You can call me whatever you choose, but my experience in life has taught me that if it walks like a duck, looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it probably is a duck.

[Oldgringo]

jimlongley asked:

I ask again, do you know what state Lincoln was born in?

I was taught, in grade school a long time ago, that Lincoln was born in Kentucky. I was also taught that there were citizenship and age requirements for congress members and the POTUS.

[LaUser]

I ask again, do you know what state Lincoln was born in?

Kentucky and I bet he never had to produce a birth certificate.

Correct this is not a criminal matter. It is a civil matter. Usually civil matters are decided by a preponderance of evidence, if they go to trial. But if the court decides that the case looks "ridiculous" for lack of a better word, it will never get to trial and the matter is left unchanged.

I say again all this prez birth certificate crap is occurring because some people don't like the outcome of the election. I recall a lot of people were upset over the 2000 presidential election outcome especially what was going on in Florida. Gore and company looked like a bunch of cry babies back then and the current batch of whinners look like cry babies now.

"Get over it." The Eagles