Who's for less Prohibited places?

[anygunanywhere]

My issue though is that there have been implications that those who don't belong to the NRA TSRA are somehow slackers, I kind of resented that. Because I have worked hard for our cause. I don't mean to alam the NRA and TSRa But to point out why some people might shy away from them.. The fact is they have treated Libertarians unfairly. They have treated me personally unfairly.

Liberty,

If there were some way for me personally to resolve the conflicts you have with the NRA I would do so.

In a way, I do believe that those who value their 2A and do not support the organizaations that fight for their 2A rights are slackers if that is the term you want to use. I have been a life member since the '80s and have contributed to many NRA drives. I am a life TSRA member.

All of the groups that support the RKBA have shown their bad side occaisionally, even the GOA.

If we don't all band together somehow we will all lose the fight.

Anygunanywhere

[Liberty]

My issue though is that there have been implications that those who don't belong to the NRA TSRA are somehow slackers, I kind of resented that. Because I have worked hard for our cause. I don't mean to alam the NRA and TSRa But to point out why some people might shy away from them.. The fact is they have treated Libertarians unfairly. They have treated me personally unfairly.

Liberty,

If there were some way for me personally to resolve the conflicts you have with the NRA I would do so.

In a way, I do believe that those who value their 2A and do not support the organizaations that fight for their 2A rights are slackers if that is the term you want to use. I have been a life member since the '80s and have contributed to many NRA drives. I am a life TSRA member.

All of the groups that support the RKBA have shown their bad side occaisionally, even the GOA.

If we don't all band together somehow we will all lose the fight.

Anygunanywhere

They refuse to even admit that Libertarians exist. They will rate Democrats and Republicans. I ran against a Democrat who was rated A- They only acknowledged the Democrat. Every libertarian sholkd be 100% behind the RKBA. Many refuse to join the NRA because of this issue. I am simply talking about acknowledging and rating Libertarians, not even about getting a stamp of approval. To be honest my party means a lot more to me than any single item PAC. This is not an occassional thing they do this year after year. Most libertarians are active politically, and many will support RKBA candidates even if they aren't Democrats. Labeling them Slackers is a bit unfair. I would bet they and I do more letter writing and phone calling than the average NRA member.

[anygunanywhere]

LIberty,

I posted "support the organizations", plural, and I do understand your specific position. The NRA is not the only organization.

My brother is very active in the Texas GOP. He takes pride in all of his photographs alongside Rick Perry and others. He owns several firearms and has considered going for his CHL. He will not join any pro 2A group much less the NRA.

He is a slacker when it comes to fighting for the RKBA.

I do not consider your position the same as his.

Anygunanywhere

[stevie_d_64]

Actually, I heard a rumor Charles has started up a new organization...But thats off topic...

Getting back on track, I would love to be able to prove a point and be able to carry my concealed firearm, and being a law-abiding citizen, be able to address my city counsel in that capacity, and prove my point that nothing will actually happen...

Even if I did say something really productive to that elected body...

Why should I trust a politician, who doesn't trust me with a gun?

Do they really believe I (or any of us) am going to shoot them if we have a difference of opinion on an issue???

Geesh...Some people need to grow up a little bit...

But that's just my opinion...

[Venus Pax]

Do they really believe I (or any of us) am going to shoot them if we have a difference of opinion on an issue???

Yes, they do.

As for the original topic:
The only place that should be off-limits is the secured areas of a prison, for obvious reasons.

[bdickens]

Did you vote? Did you completely agree 100% with the candidae you voted for? No? Then why did you vote for him?

Do you work? Do you completely agree 100% with everything your employer asks of you? No? Then why do you work there?

Are you married? Do you completely agree 100% with your spouse on everything? No? Then why do you stay married?

[Liberty]

Did you vote? Did you completely agree 100% with the candidae you voted for? No? Then why did you vote for him?
Yes I voted, There were several things I didn't agree with my candidate on.

Do you work? Do you completely agree 100% with everything your employer asks of you? No? Then why do you work there?

Are you married? Do you completely agree 100% with your spouse on everything? No? Then why do you stay married?

The problem with McCain while he may have been a better choice than Obama, is that he is still a backstabbing leftist who supports AWB. The fact that he was involved with the Keating 5 scandal really didn't come into play. There are differences ... and then there are fundimental differences that can't be overcome. No conservative could be happy with McCain, they just wouldn't hate him quite as much as they do Obama.

[Charles L. Cotton]

I understand Liberty's objection to the TSRA and NRA rating practices. However, the fundamental truth is that both organizations are charged with protecting the Second Amendment and gun owners, not helping political parties grow. Our marching orders are to go out and win and we can't do that by diluting the pro-gun votes for third-party candidates that have absolutely no chance of winning.

I have posted on the recount in Texas House District 105 where the incumbent pro-gun, A-rated Republican defeated her Democrat challenger by 25 votes, with the Libertarian getting 1,059 votes. This election is going to determine whether the Republicans or the Democrats control the Texas House. So the theory that one should "vote your principles" because it won't affect the election is simply not always true.

Chas.

[txmatt]

I understand Liberty's objection to the TSRA and NRA rating practices. However, the fundamental truth is that both organizations are charged with protecting the Second Amendment and gun owners, not helping political parties grow. Our marching orders are to go out and win and we can't do that by diluting the pro-gun votes for third-party candidates that have absolutely no chance of winning.

I have posted on the recount in Texas House District 105 where the incumbent pro-gun, A-rated Republican defeated her Democrat challenger by 25 votes, with the Libertarian getting 1,059 votes. This election is going to determine whether the Republicans or the Democrats control the Texas House. So the theory that one should "vote your principles" because it won't affect the election is simply not always true.

Chas.

In your thread on this race, you mentioned that the Democrat is also A rated. On the whole having pro-gun Democrats make up a larger percentage of the democrats in congress is a good thing, I would think. And the if the Republicans lose control of the house over this race it seems that the blame for that could equally well be placed on other elections where a anti-gun Democrat beat a pro-gun Republican and blame and future efforts placed there would be more productive.

I do understand the issue of control of the house though and the influence that has on the make up of committees. I'm in US district 17 and while my rep is a dem who is good on gun rights (even endorsed by the NRA) I hate the thought of his party affiliation giving more power to Pelosi.

I would really like to see us move towards a future where the 2A is not a partisan issue and to see more races between three pro-2A candidates.

[seamusTX]

In your thread on this race, you mentioned that the Democrat is also A rated. On the whole having pro-gun Democrats make up a larger percentage of the democrats in congress is a good thing,

This is a Texas House of Representatives race. The majority in the Texas House is not finally decided.

Congress is already a done deal.

I agree that having more pro-RKBA Democrats in the U.S. Congress is a good thing. This issue should be a "third rail" for both parties.

- Jim

[scoobii]

As I have stated before, a citizen should be allowed to carry anywhere LEO can carry.

The 30.06 rule should also apply to LEO unless they're hot pursuit. The government should respect private property rights.

[Liberty]

I understand Liberty's objection to the TSRA and NRA rating practices. However, the fundamental truth is that both organizations are charged with protecting the Second Amendment and gun owners, not helping political parties grow. Our m arching orders are togo out and win and we can't do that by diluting the pro-gun votes for third-party candidates that have absolutely no chance of winning.

I have posted on the recount in Texas House District 105 where the incumbent pro-gun, A-rated Republican defeated her Democrat challenger by 25 votes, with the Libertarian getting 1,059 votes. This election is going to determine whether the Republicans or the Democrats control the Texas House. So the theory that one should "vote your principles" because it won't affect the election is simply not always true.

Chas.

If that were the case why wouldn't they rate Libertarians that are running against a single candidate. I don't believe that they should be giving every Libertarian a blank endorsement. Simply to acknowledge them and rate them as they would any other candidate. Just ignoring us will not make us go away. If the NRA/TSRA wants to grow its numbers perhaps they might consider not alienating thousands of their supporters and working with them instead.

[KD5NRH]

I have posted on the recount in Texas House District 105 where the incumbent pro-gun, A-rated Republican defeated her Democrat challenger by 25 votes, with the Libertarian getting 1,059 votes. This election is going to determine whether the Republicans or the Democrats control the Texas House. So the theory that one should "vote your principles" because it won't affect the election is simply not always true.

I don't vote my principles because it won't affect the election, and I doubt many of those 1,059 do either. If I wanted to not affect the election I'd stay home.

If all of those Libertarians had stayed home, your candidate would still have barely been good enough to beat the Democrat. Stop trying to blame it on people who at least have the guts to vote their principles.

[txmatt]

In your thread on this race, you mentioned that the Democrat is also A rated. On the whole having pro-gun Democrats make up a larger percentage of the democrats in congress is a good thing,

This is a Texas House of Representatives race. The majority in the Texas House is not finally decided.

Congress is already a done deal.

I agree that having more pro-RKBA Democrats in the U.S. Congress is a good thing. This issue should be a "third rail" for both parties.

- Jim

I suppose "congress" is the wrong term, but I was referring to the Texas House.

My point is that it is more productive to look at races where the anti-gun Democrats beat pro-gun Republicans and look at those to get the extra seat needed to secure a Republican majority. Even if it causes problems in the next session in the longer term having these pro-gun democrats in the Texas House will help us more than hurt us, I believe. I'm not familiar with the numbers but I would imagine we are much closer in the Texas legislature to having pro-gun Democrats control their party than in the US House or Senate.

I wish we could rank candidates in order of preference on the ballot instead of voting for just one. I think that would help a lot.

[KD5NRH]

Barak Obama has made no statements or promises in his campaign to ban concealed carry nationwide, other than his support of it previous to his campaign.

Paraphrasing (because stuttering is hard to type) "I continue to support a ban on concealed carry laws." That was during his campaign, and the question specifically asked about a federal ban on concealed carry.

I'm pretty sure he wasn't referring to banning the laws that restrict concealed carry.