Mr. Cooper, say it isn't so.

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Re: Mr. Cooper, say it isn't so.

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Don't get me wrong, I understand that for a gun company head to support Obama makes little sense, despite my feelings for either candidate.

It just rubs me the wrong way to have someone lose their job for their political beliefs. I can't say I'm against this particular decision, but the action still leaves a bad taste in my mouth. To me, it doesn't seem all that different for someone losing their job for being a "gun person" or other retarded reason.

In this case, I think the argument can legitimately be made that his political beliefs would reduce his effectiveness at his job.

I still don't like it. It'd be like arguing that being Jewish would reduce my effectiveness at a job, or something.

It just leaves me with a bad feeling in my gut, even though I can understand it logically.
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nitrogen wrote:Don't get me wrong, I understand that for a gun company head to support Obama makes little sense, despite my feelings for either candidate.

It just rubs me the wrong way to have someone lose their job for their political beliefs. I can't say I'm against this particular decision, but the action still leaves a bad taste in my mouth. To me, it doesn't seem all that different for someone losing their job for being a "gun person" or other retarded reason.

In this case, I think the argument can legitimately be made that his political beliefs would reduce his effectiveness at his job.

I still don't like it. It'd be like arguing that being Jewish would reduce my effectiveness at a job, or something.

It just leaves me with a bad feeling in my gut, even though I can understand it logically.
If I may try and soften it up a bit for you.

This is my opinion on people in positions of authority.

Once you are in a position where you make decisions that directly affect the lives and livelihood, the safety and security of other people, you must perform in a manner that respects what is true and right. You must stand up for those who are least able to defend and protect themselves. You must make certain that you take care of those who rely on you for their very life.

This is where a vast number of individuals go wrong in many ways including their beliefs with respect for the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. I think that when this country was founded people did have beliefs that can be called liberal or conservative, but as a whole people cared for each other and would really sacrifice themselves to keep from harming someone needlessly.

Those who did not act and behave in this manner were what we call criminals. Anyone who would assume a position of elected office and not defend the weakest of humans is a criminal, IMHO. The people who support those types are no better, again IMHO.

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DoubleJ wrote: just ask Jim Zumbo...
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anygunanywhere wrote:
nitrogen wrote:Don't get me wrong, I understand that for a gun company head to support Obama makes little sense, despite my feelings for either candidate.

It just rubs me the wrong way to have someone lose their job for their political beliefs. I can't say I'm against this particular decision, but the action still leaves a bad taste in my mouth. To me, it doesn't seem all that different for someone losing their job for being a "gun person" or other retarded reason.

In this case, I think the argument can legitimately be made that his political beliefs would reduce his effectiveness at his job.

I still don't like it. It'd be like arguing that being Jewish would reduce my effectiveness at a job, or something.

It just leaves me with a bad feeling in my gut, even though I can understand it logically.
If I may try and soften it up a bit for you.

This is my opinion on people in positions of authority.

Once you are in a position where you make decisions that directly affect the lives and livelihood, the safety and security of other people, you must perform in a manner that respects what is true and right. You must stand up for those who are least able to defend and protect themselves. You must make certain that you take care of those who rely on you for their very life.

This is where a vast number of individuals go wrong in many ways including their beliefs with respect for the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. I think that when this country was founded people did have beliefs that can be called liberal or conservative, but as a whole people cared for each other and would really sacrifice themselves to keep from harming someone needlessly.

Those who did not act and behave in this manner were what we call criminals. Anyone who would assume a position of elected office and not defend the weakest of humans is a criminal, IMHO. The people who support those types are no better, again IMHO.

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I can agree with you on this. That's why I like you guys here so much; even though many of my political beliefs differ from many others on here, I think we ALL share this core belief, and show a modicum of respect for each other.

The more I think about it, the more I can understand why it was [supposedly?] done, and I think I've mostly reversed myself on it. Sometimes things happen that just really bother you, but they have to be done, and this falls into that I think.
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Its may be worthy to note that the NRA is reporting that Beretta is donating 1 million to the NRA.
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Anygun,

You are so right about people in positions of authority.

When I pinned on my Sergeant's stripes, I suddenly had to be an entirely different person. In order to be an effective leader, I had to not let my personal opinions show. I had to enforce orders and policies that I sorely disagreed with and present them as if they were my own. My colleagues who didn't learn to do that were weak and ineffective.
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The posts in this thread have been very interesting and here is one additional point.

This is a Second Amendment issue pure and simple.
You are for it or you are against it.
Some are even willing to fight for it.

It is like pregnancy. You're either pregnant or you're not pregnant.

Here is the latest from USA Today.
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So, Cooper "had a conversation with the senator … he is a stanch [sic.] supporter of the right to hunt and the right to bear arms." He isn't a useful idiot; he's a brain-dead moron. The Second Amendment isn't about deer hunting. The Second Amendment isn't about target shooting. The Second Amendment is about self-defense; it's about defending yourself, defending your family, defending your community, defending your country. The Second Amendment is about the cold, hard, brutal reality of protecting oneself from tyranny - whether from an oppressive government or from the savage criminals who roam our streets thinking nothing of murdering someone for a few dollars or a pair of shoes.

Osama - I mean Obama - is a liar. He does not support the Second Amendment. He has at every turn tried to gut it. I don't need to reiterate that here; you are all more than aware of his record. Heck, he doesn't even believe in the First Amendment either: witness his campaign's attempts to silence the NRA when they put together and tried to air a commercial outlining his voting record on Second Amendment issues.

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When will Fudds like Cooper ever get it?
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