Private Range (my range) issues

[KC5AV]

You should plan to drop by that meeting, unannounced.

[Fourman]

You should plan to drop by that meeting, unannounced.

I can not sort of.....but I can as a guest from property owners that don't have a concern.

Brian Faure

[KD5NRH]

> The concerns of a property owner inviting guests to shoot weapons
> at his property - that he does not have the permit to fire

One thing that might be worthwhile is to ask that anyone bringing NFA items bring an extra copy of their paperwork to leave with you, or at least whatever registration number is on that paperwork so BATFE can have something to go by when they show up after the fact.

You should also look into getting as many people with Mosin M44s out thereat one time as you can manage; if you can get them all to fire in quick succession, it should sound like a really serious machine gun. :)

[03Lightningrocks]

Looks like crazy lady is up to more:

I got an email for a nice friend:

Williamson County Sherriff James Wilson
> will be at our home
> for a Bear Creek
> neighborhood meeting
> xxxxxxxxx
> Wednesday September 24th
> at 6pm
> to address our concerns over the neighboring CR 201 land owner
> and his friend's shooting activities. As you may know, Williamson
> County was successful in having the original berm they were using
> removed due to violations of environmental and flood zone regulations.
> Unfortunately, a new berm has been constructed so that once again
> machine guns are being fired. The last berm was less than 250 feet
> from our property line... this one sounds closer. My first priority is
> safety for all of us who live in Bear Creek and who drive CR 201.
> The concerns of a property owner inviting guests to shoot weapons
> at his property - that he does not have the permit to fire are many,
> including our property values...
> but these men are on just 12 acres on our subdivision line and
> are shooting weapons with deadly ranges of about two miles. So- any
> rounds that leave their property endanger all of us.
> Hope to see you
> there-


I plan to have a meeting the James Wilson next week to talk about this.

Brian

BTW this weekend shoot is cancelled due to Crazy Lady's weather machine making Ike.

She will turn the heat up even more as you keep intentionally trying to antagonize her. I don't have a dog in this fight, so all your toadies can save their typing rebuttals for someone who cares. Just trying to give you a heads up and make a friendly suggestion if you like shooting there. "In your face" tactics usually result in unfavorable results. I have been an avid shooter and hunter all my life and I feel empathy for the lady. I can only imagine what a non-shooter would think.

[KaiserB]

She will turn the heat up even more as you keep intentionally trying to antagonize her. I don't have a dog in this fight, so all your toadies can save their typing rebuttals for someone who cares. Just trying to give you a heads up and make a friendly suggestion if you like shooting there. "In your face" tactics usually result in unfavorable results. I have been an avid shooter and hunter all my life and I feel empathy for the lady. I can only imagine what a non-shooter would think.

You may want to think of ways to make the neighbors less interested in you. If you are not interesting, and under their radar the lady will not look as justified. If you antagonize she will eventually will over the fence sitters and that could cause issues by alienating you.

Lay low, use long term tactics and win by longevity not by immediate force.

He who is prudent and lies in wait for an enemy who is not, will be victorious. - Sun Tzu, The Art of War. c.400-320 b.c.

[Pinkycatcher]

DEALDY RANGES OF UP TO TWO MILES!

My .22 boxes of ammo say they are dangerous up to like a mile, but I can't really image it hurting anything more than say a piece of paper, and even then it would have to be a thin piece of paper

How's 200 yards?

200 Yards < 1 Mile, you're looking at like 1/8th of the distance

[Fourman]

She will turn the heat up even more as you keep intentionally trying to antagonize her. I don't have a dog in this fight, so all your toadies can save their typing rebuttals for someone who cares. Just trying to give you a heads up and make a friendly suggestion if you like shooting there. "In your face" tactics usually result in unfavorable results. I have been an avid shooter and hunter all my life and I feel empathy for the lady. I can only imagine what a non-shooter would think.

You may want to think of ways to make the neighbors less interested in you. If you are not interesting, and under their radar the lady will not look as justified. If you antagonize she will eventually will over the fence sitters and that could cause issues by alienating you.

Lay low, use long term tactics and win by longevity not by immediate force.

He who is prudent and lies in wait for an enemy who is not, will be victorious. - Sun Tzu, The Art of War. c.400-320 b.c.

Interesting point of view. Major issues with that is she does not want me to shoot at all. She complains even for just 9mm pistol shooting. I like to shoot some on my property. In addition...having SO come in the middle of the night looking for meth and crack in my house and property from her call...... I kinda think laying low is past.

I do thank you for your input and I have been quiet for many weeks and she still kept up the fight with me by calling the ATF and TCEQ on me....

Brian

[KaiserB]

If laying low has not worked, you may want to ask the coordinator of the neighborhood meeting, if you can come to the meeting to answer any questions they may have.

You may be walking into a hornets nest, but you may disarm 90% of the situation. For giggles you may ask if you can play a copy of the 911 recording from a month or two back :)

[Pinkycatcher]

If laying low has not worked, you may want to ask the coordinator of the neighborhood meeting, if you can come to the meeting to answer any questions they may have.

You may be walking into a hornets nest, but you may disarm 90% of the situation. For giggles you may ask if you can play a copy of the 911 recording from a month or two back :)

I woul say try this, be extremely respectful, offer to show people your berm, be knowledgeable about any problems, let people (save her imo) come out and watch a shoot. Don't be combative, just if you wish let the listen to her calls, and make sure the people know the difference between an automatic and what everyone in America shoots

[TxRVer]

I agree you should go to the meeting, with permission, and with the attitude that you want to help alleviate everyones concerns. Don't be combative and don't wear camo.

[Pinkycatcher]

I agree you should go to the meeting, with permission, and with the attitude that you want to help alleviate everyones concerns. Don't be combative and don't wear camo.

haha yah, being a stereotype isnt that good idea

[particle]

I don't pretend to know the regulations, but if/when the time comes to sell your property, you're going to have some major environmental cleanup expenses ahead of you. There is an extensive paper trail revolving around your property, and you won't be able to "bury it" and stick a For Sale sign along the fence line. You're probably already aware of that, but I just thought I'd mention it.

If I were you, I'd install a couple dozen of those game cameras that were recommended a while back. About the only way you're going to shut these people up is to catch them trespassing on your property, and press charges against them - but you've angered a lot of people, and there will be plenty of other people willing to pick up the torch and run with it. Is your new berm visible from the street? If not, how else would they have known you actually built a new one?

I don't know where you live - but let me throw this out there for your consideration. Recently there was a series of news stories about some dove hunters that were legally hunting in an open field. Residents immediately surrounding the property were calling the police, but there was nothing they could do about it - not so long as the pellets weren't leaving the property they were hunting on. A car dealership next door then started to complain that his cars were getting pelted. Guess what - now the laws are being looked at again, and those people exercising their rights to hunt on private land could very well have the rules changed to make it illegal to do something that was once perfectly legal. The people that may very well be crawling around on your land only need to swipe a few bullets from the berms, and plant them on their own property to have you shut down for good - and slap some hefty fines on you at the same time...

You may win the battle (at least for a little while), but you may very well lose the war by rallying enough troops against your cause to push for changes to the laws. Pick your battles wisely.

Best of luck to you.

[Pinkycatcher]

So particle, you're saying that this one property could very well change the states very loved laws? I think you're a little bit hyperbolic, fourman is not under that much scrutiny, people buy property all the time that's been shot on. Lead and copper isn't horrible to have on your property, now I wouldn't put a well right on top of the berm, but it's overall not that big a deal.

[particle]

The North Texas Police Chiefs Association plans to lobby the Legislature next year to limit hunting in cities, Capt. Roland said.

"We wish it wasn't allowed in a densely populated area such as McKinney," he said.

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This is sort of apples and oranges, but it's still along the same line of discussion. Neighbors caused such a fuss that legal hunting could very well become illegal in some areas. Different situation - I understand that. But hopefully you can see the relation.

While the article relates to hunting in city limits on land over a certain acreage, this thread relates to full-auto weapons - a class of weapons that is already under serious attack. Tread lightly - that's all I'm saying. If I were to bet on dove hunters with shotguns inside city limits, or target shooters on private land in the county with full-auto "assault rifles", I'd say the assault rifles will lose the legal battle first if it ever came to that.

"It was obvious there's widespread lead contamination. That is typical at a shooting range," said Linda Dykema, manager of the toxicology and response section of the Michigan Department of Community Health.

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Just sayin', is all.

[Fourman]

The North Texas Police Chiefs Association plans to lobby the Legislature next year to limit hunting in cities, Capt. Roland said.

"We wish it wasn't allowed in a densely populated area such as McKinney," he said.

http://www.quickdfw.com/sharedcontent/d ... 5ecc3.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This is sort of apples and oranges, but it's still along the same line of discussion. Neighbors caused such a fuss that legal hunting could very well become illegal in some areas. Different situation - I understand that. But hopefully you can see the relation.

While the article relates to hunting in city limits on land over a certain acreage, this thread relates to full-auto weapons - a class of weapons that is already under serious attack. Tread lightly - that's all I'm saying. If I were to bet on dove hunters with shotguns inside city limits, or target shooters on private land in the county with full-auto "assault rifles", I'd say the assault rifles will lose the legal battle first if it ever came to that.

"It was obvious there's widespread lead contamination. That is typical at a shooting range," said Linda Dykema, manager of the toxicology and response section of the Michigan Department of Community Health.

http://www.record-eagle.com/local/local ... 94152.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Just sayin', is all.

When TCEQ was here last month testing they stated that they have been to many active public ranges and have yet to get a soil sample that have more lead per ppm than what ever limit there is. The whole lead thing with ranges is very much overdone like Obama and "change".

Brian Faure