CHL holders are the good guys

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Re: CHL holders are the good guys

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mr.72 wrote:The restrictions and costs of obtaining a CHL in TX are very clearly intended as a deterrent or impediment to normal citizens to get a CHL. Of course the whole idea of requiring a license to begin with is 100% counter to the idea of the "right" to bear arms.
Whether it was intended or not, that's certainly the effect. I read some about the DC case, and I read that when some of these similar laws were passed there, racism was an intent. The costs were intended to keep poor black people from owning handguns. I agree. I'm fairly well off, but cost is still an issue. There are plenty of other costs associated with training and equipping yourself to carry a gun. I didn't need another $250+ in mandatory training and registration fees. I know a lot of people can't afford that. It wasn't a pleasant experience for me either! I sure could have used that money elsewhere. I could have bought a couple of real nice holsters for that!
Often times things like student loans, property taxes, and child support are issues either subject to dispute or available for resolution other than "full and final payment". So clearly the intent of the law is to use the CHL as leverage to force people to pay these debts and give up their other options or rights to dispute or resolution beyond full payment.
This has got to change. Not only is it an unreasonable and I believe unconstitutional cause for denying a CHL, it's also really slowing down the application process and running up the cost for the whole program.
Quite simply I think the costs alone (both in time and fees), plus the cost of immediately resolving pending debts excludes a great number of people from obtaining a CHL and this is just as unconstitutional as a poll tax.
Be careful about throwing around that unconstitutional buzz word. Them's fighting words for all our gun supporters who take pride in the righteous exclusiveness of their CHL badge and their do-gooder certainty that these laws are keeping all the "wrong people" from carrying a gun.

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It appears that Mr Cotton objects the opinions I've expressed in my first few posts here, and he's made it clear that this board isn't a suitable "bully pulpit" for this point of view. I appreciate being able to express my opinion at least for the day. I'll be on my way now. Thanks for the discussion.
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HGWC wrote:It appears that Mr Cotton objects the opinions I've expressed in my first few posts here, and he's made it clear that this board isn't a suitable "bully pulpit" for this point of view. I appreciate being able to express my opinion at least for the day. I'll be on my way now. Thanks for the discussion.
It appears to me that you entered this forum with a chip on your shoulder and Mr. Cotton just knocked it off.
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HGWC wrote:It appears that Mr Cotton objects the opinions I've expressed in my first few posts here......
He objects to some of your opinions, not all. We all have a right to agree or disagree on this forum, as long as we are agreeable in our behavior. Many of us have learned a lot from these discussions; we're better for having participated in the debates.

It should be known that Mr. Cotton contributed heavily to portions of the law pertaining to CHL that we operate under today. Compromises had to be made to get the original law passed, but those compromises have been chipped away in our favor year after year. He doesn't like the useless restrictions and exorbitant costs anymore than you do. He generously donates his personal time and money to advancing the recognition of our RKBA. I can promise you that he is not your enemy!
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Re: CHL holders are the good guys

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HGWC wrote:It appears that Mr Cotton objects the opinions I've expressed in my first few posts here, and he's made it clear that this board isn't a suitable "bully pulpit" for this point of view. I appreciate being able to express my opinion at least for the day. I'll be on my way now. Thanks for the discussion.
I agree with some of your opinions and I disagree with others and that's fine. I disagree with the way you choose to express those opinions and that is not fine. We have very good educational discussions in which varying opinions are expressed, but it's done in such a way that those differing opinions are not belittled, as you have done. Purely as an example, Kevin and I agree on some issues and strongly disagree on some issues, yet I have the utmost respect for him and the way he presents his arguments. You will never find him minimizing the efforts of others. Coming to the board and figuratively thumbing your nose at any opinion that differs from yours is not a way become one of the family.

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Hey, It may be a ridiculous question, but I know you cannot carry at a professional ex.(Cowboy/Ranger game) but how about at a concert at a county fair? I am going to see Stoney Larue this weekend at the county fair and just wondering if I can carry legally.
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Charles L. Cotton wrote:
HGWC wrote:It appears that Mr Cotton objects the opinions I've expressed in my first few posts here, and he's made it clear that this board isn't a suitable "bully pulpit" for this point of view. I appreciate being able to express my opinion at least for the day. I'll be on my way now. Thanks for the discussion.
I agree with some of your opinions and I disagree with others and that's fine. I disagree with the way you choose to express those opinions and that is not fine. We have very good educational discussions in which varying opinions are expressed, but it's done in such a way that those differing opinions are not belittled, as you have done. Purely as an example, Kevin and I agree on some issues and strongly disagree on some issues, yet I have the utmost respect for him and the way he presents his arguments. You will never find him minimizing the efforts of others. Coming to the board and figuratively thumbing your nose at any opinion that differs from yours is not a way become one of the family.

Chas.



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