Post Office carry

[Right2Carry]

There are those who feel (as opposed to think) that all signs that resemble 30.06 are valid thus honoring the poster's intent even though the law has the word "exactly".

With so much murky gray garbled language in the rulles I will protect myself, thanks.

Anygunanywhere

I'm siding with you on this. I'd rather have it and not need it, than need it and not have it. If I have to use it and defend myself, I'd rather pay a $50 fine and sit in jail for 30 days, than to be put 6 feet under. If something happens and someone slips and falls, guess what. I don't have to stick around and wait for a cop to show up to take a report. I'll continue my business and leave. They have camera's all over the place and they can get their report from there.

What happens if you slip and fall? Maybe you get knocked out? Again it may not be just the 50.00 fine and 30 days in jail you have to worry about. If the interpretation of the other thread is correct and you violated CFR 39 then you also violated 18 USC since you no longer have lawful purpose. As someone else has said on here, you may beat the rap but you are going to take the ride. My time and money are much better spent not having to deal with the issue when there is no clear opinion on whether Postal Carry is legal.

[anygunanywhere]

What happens if.....

You keep countering with the "What ifs" that result in getting caught.

Instead of What Iffing your way into getting caught why not What If your way into carrying?

What happens if you need your handgun in a post office and since you don't have it you die? When you are bleeding on the floor is a bad time to be regretting your decision to carry.

The odds of that happening are greater than having it and never needing it. Everytime you carry and don't need it you beat those odds.

How many times have you read about shootings in gun free zones?

There are gun free zones where the act of committing a felony by not complying with the reasonable restrictions and common sense gun laws makes sense.

To me, the post office decision does not even come close.

Anygunanywhere

[CleverNickname]

In paraphrasing, it says that firearms are not allowed unless your are doing so "for lawful purposes" or similar wording. Since I am lawfully licensed by the state of Texas I can carry in a post office.

Ah, but does federal law concern itself with what state law has to say? I'm guessing probably not. So it would only be what federal law says is a lawful purpose.

[anygunanywhere]

Ah, but does federal law concern itself with what state law has to say? I'm guessing probably not. So it would only be what federal law says is a lawful purpose.

Obviously federal law does not care at all about anything, even the second amendment. Prohibiting carry in post offices is infringement in direct violation of the 2A.

Your decision. The civil rights movement started by a little old lady who refused to sit in the back of a bus.

Anygunanywhere

[Right2Carry]

What happens if.....

You keep countering with the "What ifs" that result in getting caught.

Instead of What Iffing your way into getting caught why not What If your way into carrying?

What happens if you need your handgun in a post office and since you don't have it you die? When you are bleeding on the floor is a bad time to be regretting your decision to carry.

The odds of that happening are greater than having it and never needing it. Everytime you carry and don't need it you beat those odds.

How many times have you read about shootings in gun free zones?

There are gun free zones where the act of committing a felony by not complying with the reasonable restrictions and common sense gun laws makes sense.

To me, the post office decision does not even come close.

Anygunanywhere

I carry where I am allowed to carry. At this time I believe it is illegal to carry into a post office. Part of getting my CHL is that I agreed to abide by the laws of said license. I don't look for grey area's and I don't measure 30.06 signs to see if they meet the exact requirements prescribed by the law, it is a losing proposition in the long run. I see the comments about well it's only 50.00 dollars and 30 days in jail if caught. Well you know what, explain to your employer why you missed 30 days of work and see how understanding he is.

If your intent was to circumvent or ignore the laws why even get a CHL, you could have done that without a CHL after all the chances of getting caught are extremely remote, right? Concealed is Concealed correct?

I would love to be able to carry anywhere and anytime, but unfortunately at this time the state has decided that it will not allow me to carry in certain area's along with the federal government. I might not agree with the rules but until they are changed I will do my best to abide by them and for me that means not going into places that are posted. I won't disarm unless I absolutely have to, and if a place is posted I just take my business elsewhere. That for me is the simplest solution.

[KBCraig]

I carry where I am allowed to carry.

In light of that statement, your choice of moniker is interesting.

[Right2Carry]

I carry where I am allowed to carry.

In light of that statement, your choice of moniker is interesting.

I believe in the right to carry, but at this time the LAW only allows us to carry in certain places. Are you advocating breaking the law?

[razoraggie]

Reading everyone's posts here have been very informative and almost entertaining. But let me throw this quater into the pot:

Shouldn't we use a little caution in what we state we are DOING as CHL holders in this forum as it relates to gray areas of the law? Time has told us that DAs and ADAs love to seize personal information (ie: cell and phone records, COMPUTERS, etc.) in order to build their cases against individuals. The reason we're not seeing a lot of our senior members posting on this and other subject matters relating to "gray areas" is to NOT incriminate themselves in an area that may involve prosecution. All of you may be correct, but stating YOU DO SOMETHING and stating YOU BELIEVE SOMETHING are two completely different pages.

Don't get me wrong. This forum is a place for all of us to discuss issues and topics that concern us all. But let's not get the false sense of security that we are immune to the "evils of the outside world" while we are here and that we (CHL holders) are the only individuals that read these posts. Let's all speak our minds, but tread very carefully as we are in the sights of many who want to see our rights abolished.

[anygunanywhere]

I carry where I am allowed to carry. At this time I believe it is illegal to carry into a post office. Part of getting my CHL is that I agreed to abide by the laws of said license. I don't look for grey area's and I don't measure 30.06 signs to see if they meet the exact requirements prescribed by the law, it is a losing proposition in the long run. I see the comments about well it's only 50.00 dollars and 30 days in jail if caught. Well you know what, explain to your employer why you missed 30 days of work and see how understanding he is.

If your intent was to circumvent or ignore the laws why even get a CHL, you could have done that without a CHL after all the chances of getting caught are extremely remote, right? Concealed is Concealed correct?

I would love to be able to carry anywhere and anytime, but unfortunately at this time the state has decided that it will not allow me to carry in certain area's along with the federal government. I might not agree with the rules but until they are changed I will do my best to abide by them and for me that means not going into places that are posted. I won't disarm unless I absolutely have to, and if a place is posted I just take my business elsewhere. That for me is the simplest solution.

As I have stated, your option.

Shouldn't we use a little caution in what we state we are DOING as CHL holders in this forum as it relates to gray areas of the law? Time has told us that DAs and ADAs love to seize personal information (ie: cell and phone records, COMPUTERS, etc.) in order to build their cases against individuals. The reason we're not seeing a lot of our senior members posting on this and other subject matters relating to "gray areas" is to NOT incriminate themselves in an area that may involve prosecution. All of you may be correct, but stating YOU DO SOMETHING and stating YOU BELIEVE SOMETHING are two completely different pages.

All of my statements here are regarding post office carry. No where here have I advocated violating any Texas law on properly posted places.

You do realize that if the feds take a dislike to you for whatever reason it is doubtful that there is anything you can do to prevent them from accomplishing their goal and that whatever they need they can make up or plant. I am not going to live in fear of federal prosecutors trying to come after me. They already have a list of my reading material from bookstores, online sites and public libraries. If they want to build a case then what I say on-line will be of little consequence.

Anygunanywhere

[razoraggie]

Anygun,

My previous post was not directed soley at you or your statements, but as a general caution to ALL that post here. I agree that we should not live in fear of government prosecution, but we should also be hesitant to throw rocks at hornets nests. If you feel that you could successfully defend yourself from any unfortunate consequences that would result from your carrying into certain establishments, than I admire your enthusiasm.

My take on the subject matter at hand is as follows: I am the ONLY one that will ever be soley responsible for my safety and I act and prepare myself accordingly everyday. That's it!

[anygunanywhere]

Anygun,

My previous post was not directed soley at you or your statements, but as a general caution to ALL that post here. I agree that we should not live in fear of government prosecution, but we should also be hesitant to throw rocks at hornets nests. If you feel that you could successfully defend yourself from any unfortunate consequences that would result from your carrying into certain establishments, than I admire your enthusiasm.

My take on the subject matter at hand is as follows: I am the ONLY one that will ever be soley responsible for my safety and I act and prepare myself accordingly everyday. That's it!

Prexactly!

Anygun

[CleverNickname]

Ah, but does federal law concern itself with what state law has to say? I'm guessing probably not. So it would only be what federal law says is a lawful purpose.

Obviously federal law does not care at all about anything, even the second amendment. Prohibiting carry in post offices is infringement in direct violation of the 2A.

You were the one that brought up the "lawful purposes" clause of 18 USC 930 (d).

[anygunanywhere]

Ah, but does federal law concern itself with what state law has to say? I'm guessing probably not. So it would only be what federal law says is a lawful purpose.

Obviously federal law does not care at all about anything, even the second amendment. Prohibiting carry in post offices is infringement in direct violation of the 2A.

You were the one that brought up the "lawful purposes" clause of 18 USC 930 (d).

I did bring it up, it is an infringement, the feds are notorious for violating the second amendment even though the second as it stands is not incorporated to apply to the states, and I am not following your point on this post and the eyeroll. It must be an inside thing?

Anygunanywhere

[waffenmacht]

I have posted on my experience here before. I did chat with the postmaster of Palmer, Tx... yeah I know, small town, but he has over 20 years experience. Apparently, this issue has never been brought to him, in any of his previous training. First of all, we know some firearms can be carried into a post office. That is a fact! The post office has written procedures which allow a civilian to carry a concealed firearm into the building. Such as someone shipping a shotgun, or rifle. Thats a firearm, being carried into a post office, concealed in a box. Also, cops can carry there. Im sure that's not disputed. The question really is, does my CHL apply there? Well, the postmaster I talked with thought it would be fine because i was "licenced". He was funny when he said " If you are carrying concealed, how would I know"?
-The truth is, until this gets tested in a court of law, this old dead horse will continue to recieve blows, and well I just got another kick in.
-Bruce

[Lumberjack98]

Great thread.

Thank you!