Post Office carry

[Kythas]

I don't recall this being addressed in my CHL class, but is it legal to carry in the post office?

[flb_78]

As far as I know, we cannot legally carry into a post office. Federal and all that.

[longtooth]

The 2 ends of this stick are.

1. Concealed is concealed so no one knows. If I need it I will deal w/ that then.

2. Federal property & falls under the same as in any other federal building. Cant Carry.

Bottom line is there has never been a test case & I will always remember what our wise Charles Cotton told me very shortly after this board was born.
"Those on the cutting edge of law usually bleed to death financially."

Who wants to be the test case????????

[waffenmacht]

"Who wants to be the test case?"

That's easy....anyone in a post office who has to deploy a weapon in defense if thier life.

[longtooth]

This may happen some day & is the reason we carry. There are no safe places.

Problem w/ Post office carry is the what ifs that are so very possible & even something likely to happen.
Parking lot: Someone backs into you. OOOOps you back into someone. Some 8yr old gets out of the car next to you roughly & really door scratches your new vehicle.
These things that go on every day that can get you asked for ID.

Inside: Have you ever been anywhere that someone fell, had a heart attach, two others get in an argument, kid run through a door glass....
Any of these you are as clean & innocent as a fresh bathed baby & LE will ask for ID as a witness if they are called.

And you are standing in a Post Office or in a Federal Parking Lot w/ a gun on. Who wants to be the test case now.

It is not so much the shooting that can make you a test cace as the 1000 little things of life that happen to us all every day. Sooner or later it will take place.
My oppinion & not legal advice.
My .02cents & some think it worth about half that.
I will still sign it though.
LT

[Right2Carry]

This may happen some day & is the reason we carry. There are no safe places.

Problem w/ Post office carry is the what ifs that are so very possible & even something likely to happen.
Parking lot: Someone backs into you. OOOOps you back into someone. Some 8yr old gets out of the car next to you roughly & really door scratches your new vehicle.
These things that go on every day that can get you asked for ID.

Inside: Have you ever been anywhere that someone fell, had a heart attach, two others get in an argument, kid run through a door glass....
Any of these you are as clean & innocent as a fresh bathed baby & LE will ask for ID as a witness if they are called.

And you are standing in a Post Office or in a Federal Parking Lot w/ a gun on. Who wants to be the test case now.

It is not so much the shooting that can make you a test cace as the 1000 little things of life that happen to us all every day. Sooner or later it will take place.
My oppinion & not legal advice.
My .02cents & some think it worth about half that.
I will still sign it though.
LT

Any of those scenario's can happen at a place that is posted 30.06 also.

[Liberty]

Any of these you are as clean & innocent as a fresh bathed baby & LE will ask for ID as a witness if they are called.

And you are standing in a Post Office or in a Federal Parking Lot w/ a gun on. Who wants to be the test case now.

It is not so much the shooting that can make you a test cace as the 1000 little things of life that happen to us all every day. Sooner or later it will take place.
My oppinion & not legal advice.
My .02cents & some think it worth about half that.
I will still sign it though.
LT

Any of those scenario's can happen at a place that is posted 30.06 also.

Valid points, but local law officers don't have the authority to enforce federal rules. We are not obligated to offer our CHLs to any Federal Authoritys, not even the mailman. These thing involving several agencys, Police, postal inspector, and EMS tend to be clusters and the local LEO could share information with a postal inspector.

[anygunanywhere]

Wow.

When I run errands and plan my day, the self defense part of my plan does not include worrying about the .000001 percent of my time I spend at the post office.

My plan also includes making certain I can defend myself when necessary. Post office carry is legal the way I read it because I have my permission card.

If this is really an issue for you, use one of the commercial mail centers or UPS stores.

Anygunanywhere

[mr.72]

Post office carry is legal the way I read it because I have my permission card.

What does this mean?

Also does anyone have definitive answer on whether a post office is indeed Federal Government property? I thought the USPS was a private company that is sort of under some kind of authority of the Feds but not actually owned by the Federal gov't.

[anygunanywhere]

Post office carry is legal the way I read it because I have my permission card.

What does this mean?

Also does anyone have definitive answer on whether a post office is indeed Federal Government property? I thought the USPS was a private company that is sort of under some kind of authority of the Feds but not actually owned by the Federal gov't.

I do not have the rule in front of me, but it probably can be found by searchin "post office".

In paraphrasing, it says that firearms are not allowed unless your are doing so "for lawful purposes" or similar wording. Since I am lawfully licensed by the state of Texas I can carry in a post office.

Anygunanywhere

[Bashful]

"Also does anyone have definitive answer on whether a post office is indeed Federal Government property? I thought the USPS was a private company that is sort of under some kind of authority of the Feds but not actually owned by the Federal gov't."

The United States Postal Service (USPS) is an independent establishment of the executive branch of the United States government (see 39 U.S.C. § 201) responsible for providing postal service in the US. The USPS is often mistaken for a government-owned corporation (e.g., Amtrak), but as noted above is legally defined as an "independent establishment of the executive branch of the Government of the United States," (39 U.S.C. § 201) as it is wholly owned by the government and controlled by the Presidential appointees and the Postmaster General. As a quasi-governmental agency, it has many special privileges, including sovereign immunity, eminent domain powers, powers to negotiate postal treaties with foreign nations, and an exclusive legal right to deliver first-class and third-class mail. Indeed, in 2004, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that the USPS was not a government-owned corporation and therefore could not be sued under the Sherman Antitrust Act

[flb_78]

"Also does anyone have definitive answer on whether a post office is indeed Federal Government property? I thought the USPS was a private company that is sort of under some kind of authority of the Feds but not actually owned by the Federal gov't."

The United States Postal Service (USPS) is an independent establishment of the executive branch of the United States government (see 39 U.S.C. § 201) responsible for providing postal service in the US. The USPS is often mistaken for a government-owned corporation (e.g., Amtrak), but as noted above is legally defined as an "independent establishment of the executive branch of the Government of the United States," (39 U.S.C. § 201) as it is wholly owned by the government and controlled by the Presidential appointees and the Postmaster General. As a quasi-governmental agency, it has many special privileges, including sovereign immunity, eminent domain powers, powers to negotiate postal treaties with foreign nations, and an exclusive legal right to deliver first-class and third-class mail. Indeed, in 2004, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that the USPS was not a government-owned corporation and therefore could not be sued under the Sherman Antitrust Act

ummmm......That was about as clear as mud.

We need to get some of them thar fancy talkin' fellas to telled us wut this here means in the 'Merican language.

[Bashful]

"We need to get some of them thar fancy talkin' fellas to telled us wut this here means in the 'Merican language."

Yes... it is a federal facility

[Right2Carry]

Post office carry is legal the way I read it because I have my permission card.

What does this mean?

Also does anyone have definitive answer on whether a post office is indeed Federal Government property? I thought the USPS was a private company that is sort of under some kind of authority of the Feds but not actually owned by the Federal gov't.

I do not have the rule in front of me, but it probably can be found by searchin "post office".

In paraphrasing, it says that firearms are not allowed unless your are doing so "for lawful purposes" or similar wording. Since I am lawfully licensed by the state of Texas I can carry in a post office.

Anygunanywhere

I wish you all the luck in being the proverbial test case should something happen and you get caught. I don't think your interpretation of the rules is the correct one.