Channel 11 (CBS) local news tonight...
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Channel 11 (CBS) local news tonight...
Unfortunately, I have to wake up to blaring TV morning news, till the cobwebs get cleared in the morning...Anyway...
They had a "hook" for tonights news talking about "guns" in parking lots where people work...ehem...
So since we talk about this stuff all the time, maybe it would be interesting to see how it is portrayed in the local media...
I am predicting the usual images of someone at the gunrange shooting a semi-"AUTOMATIC" handgun, in a very proficient manner, followed by a comment from a citizen (expert) who is for the idea, or pro self-defense and pro 2nd Amendment...
And quickly followed by some member of the gun-control ninnie crowd...
And possibly wrapped up by a member of the law-enforcement community (who is impartial, but is cautiously pessemistic about the need to actually store a "gun" in your car while at work...i.e.: risk of theft, etc etc)...Thanks guy, we need to let people know there may be MORE reason to smash and grab now, if it becomes more common place...
And we may even see a politician explain the idea from their prospective...
Who knows...Its may be a roll of the dice, but I try to watch these things to see if I call it right...
Its on their 10 o'clock news tonight...
Just thought y'all might like to know, just in case...
Make your predictions here on how it'll be portrayed...
They had a "hook" for tonights news talking about "guns" in parking lots where people work...ehem...
So since we talk about this stuff all the time, maybe it would be interesting to see how it is portrayed in the local media...
I am predicting the usual images of someone at the gunrange shooting a semi-"AUTOMATIC" handgun, in a very proficient manner, followed by a comment from a citizen (expert) who is for the idea, or pro self-defense and pro 2nd Amendment...
And quickly followed by some member of the gun-control ninnie crowd...
And possibly wrapped up by a member of the law-enforcement community (who is impartial, but is cautiously pessemistic about the need to actually store a "gun" in your car while at work...i.e.: risk of theft, etc etc)...Thanks guy, we need to let people know there may be MORE reason to smash and grab now, if it becomes more common place...
And we may even see a politician explain the idea from their prospective...
Who knows...Its may be a roll of the dice, but I try to watch these things to see if I call it right...
Its on their 10 o'clock news tonight...
Just thought y'all might like to know, just in case...
Make your predictions here on how it'll be portrayed...
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It Will Spin Left!
You can bet any news about guns will always spin to the left by any of the alphabet, liberal news media. The socialist, liberal, gun grabbers have infested the news media and academia for the last 40 or 50 years. Hopefully the pendulum is beginning to swing the other way now, thanks to talk radio & the internet we don't have to depend on them for all our news. I only watch FOX news on tv.
Sorry to be so political but I can't imagine anyone on this forum supporting people like Chucky Shummer or Nancy Pelosi.
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I too saw a promo for tonight's news, during last night's 10:00 p.m. news. I was rather surprised at the wording; something like "you can't carry a gun into work, but you have a right to have a gun in your car, but some people want to deny you that right in their parking lots . . ."
It's too good to be true to think that Ch. 11 is going to run a pro-gun spot, but I will admit they were far more balanced in their reporting on the CHL issue back when the fight to pass SB60 was on-going. Hopefully, I’ll be pleasantly surprised
Chas.
I too saw a promo for tonight's news, during last night's 10:00 p.m. news. I was rather surprised at the wording; something like "you can't carry a gun into work, but you have a right to have a gun in your car, but some people want to deny you that right in their parking lots . . ."
It's too good to be true to think that Ch. 11 is going to run a pro-gun spot, but I will admit they were far more balanced in their reporting on the CHL issue back when the fight to pass SB60 was on-going. Hopefully, I’ll be pleasantly surprised
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Thats what I'm thinking...I mean the fact that they'd air a story on the subject (pro or con) on the issue speaks volumes...Charles L. Cotton wrote:Steve:
I too saw a promo for tonight's news, during last night's 10:00 p.m. news. I was rather surprised at the wording; something like "you can't carry a gun into work, but you have a right to have a gun in your car, but some people want to deny you that right in their parking lots . . ."
It's too good to be true to think that Ch. 11 is going to run a pro-gun spot, but I will admit they were far more balanced in their reporting on the CHL issue back when the fight to pass SB60 was on-going. Hopefully, I’ll be pleasantly surprised
Chas.
I can read between the lines and know right off if its going to be truely representative of the subject, or another fluff piece of drive-by journalism...
It may be setting a precidence to what may be coming in the next session...That may be early, but setting the tone in the court of public opinion, may be beneficial to the gun-control advocates...They may be weak overall, but they sure can stir up a mess with little effort...
I'm a student of the issue, and seeing how both sides play it benefits me to know exactly how to play off of their side of the argument...
And this is an opportunity (I just have a gut feeling) to see and hear how the same ole bull is played this time...
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Wow! what a fairly unbiased report. If anything it seemeed as if it was slanted more towards our side. They gave very little lip service to the anti-gun side. Thier only argument was that a car with a gun inside could still be stolen.
I liked how they interviewed mostly woman. It didn't portray gun owners as knuckle dragging redneck men. I liked Mrs. King's interview.
Over all I am still shocked that Channel 11 did that piece in that manner.
I liked how they interviewed mostly woman. It didn't portray gun owners as knuckle dragging redneck men. I liked Mrs. King's interview.
Over all I am still shocked that Channel 11 did that piece in that manner.
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Man, if it was not the typical bull anti stuff.....send them an email. In the history of the world one thing that will never change is people will follow the money. Let them know you enjoyed it. Tell everyone you know to do the same and ask them to pass it along.
In the war to keep out 2A rights, we will win a lot faster if we can convince people we are the majority and the demographic with all the buying power. The self interest of people will always side with the dollar.
In the war to keep out 2A rights, we will win a lot faster if we can convince people we are the majority and the demographic with all the buying power. The self interest of people will always side with the dollar.
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I caught a few seconds of it on TXCN at work, but didn't have time to watch it all. I have satellite instead of cable at home, so I can't watch it here.
Here's the article, though (free registration required):
Should you be able to take your gun to work?
Should you be able to take your gun to work?
09:59 PM CST on Monday, March 27, 2006
By Vicente Arenas / 11 News
There's a battle looming over your right to take a gun to work. The controversy centers on whether you should be able to leave a firearm in your car.
If Granger Durdin could take her gun everywhere, she said she would.
"With the crime rates the way they are and with being a young female, I sometimes feel a little bit more vulnerable and with a gun I have the protection that I need to be safe," said Durdin.
The 29-year-old manager is not alone.
Should you be able to take your gun to work?
"It's very important. You don't know when someone is going to come after you," said gun owner Brenda Lorisch.
In Texas, businesses have the right to keep concealed weapons out of buildings. Now there's a move to allow companies to prohibit them from parking lots, too and that has some concealed carriers upset.
"I believe that's an infringement on civil liberties," said gun owner Pat Warren.
There are no real statistics that will tell you how many people take their guns to work and leave them in their cars. But when it comes to firearms, people in the gun industry will tell you that most people who have licenses to carry them won't leave home without them.
"It takes away our right to protect ourselves going to and from work," said Cheryl Lamar, Hot Wells Firing Range.
Houston-based ConocoPhillips is challenging a law in Oklahoma that allows workers to leave guns in their cars parked on company property.
The company said it is simply trying to provide a "safe and secure working environment for its employees by keeping guns out of their worksites, specifically refineries, natural gas plants and distribution terminals."
11 News found a sign outside an area plant prohibiting weapons, but saw no such signs in the company's parking lot. Still it's clear guns aren't welcome there.
When asked if she thought that this could lead to workplace violence, "Yes, I've heard that. I don't agree," said Sue King, NRA board member.
King grew up around guns. She said ConocoPhillips' efforts are a waste of time.
"If you think back to the incidents of workplace violence that we occasionally, rarely have in this country and keeping the Oklahoma legislation in mind, you'll realize that those people who commit workplace violence are either outright criminals, they're mentally unbalanced or they are true psychopaths," King said.
"I feel that it's a problem," said Tomasita Garza, Texans for Gun Safety.
This group disagrees with King, saying there are other problems with leaving a gun in a car.
"The reason being no vehicle is safe. No matter what kind of deterrents you use to keep your car from being stolen, it can still be stolen," said Garza.
ConocoPhillips is one of several companies asking an Oklahoma judge to clear the way for employers to prevent workers from keeping pistols in the parking lot.
The company says it, "supports the second amendment and the rights of law abiding citizens to own guns".
It's that amendment that granger Durdin says it gives her a little more confidence and the right to protect herself wherever she may be.
Here's the article, though (free registration required):
Should you be able to take your gun to work?
Should you be able to take your gun to work?
09:59 PM CST on Monday, March 27, 2006
By Vicente Arenas / 11 News
There's a battle looming over your right to take a gun to work. The controversy centers on whether you should be able to leave a firearm in your car.
If Granger Durdin could take her gun everywhere, she said she would.
"With the crime rates the way they are and with being a young female, I sometimes feel a little bit more vulnerable and with a gun I have the protection that I need to be safe," said Durdin.
The 29-year-old manager is not alone.
Should you be able to take your gun to work?
"It's very important. You don't know when someone is going to come after you," said gun owner Brenda Lorisch.
In Texas, businesses have the right to keep concealed weapons out of buildings. Now there's a move to allow companies to prohibit them from parking lots, too and that has some concealed carriers upset.
"I believe that's an infringement on civil liberties," said gun owner Pat Warren.
There are no real statistics that will tell you how many people take their guns to work and leave them in their cars. But when it comes to firearms, people in the gun industry will tell you that most people who have licenses to carry them won't leave home without them.
"It takes away our right to protect ourselves going to and from work," said Cheryl Lamar, Hot Wells Firing Range.
Houston-based ConocoPhillips is challenging a law in Oklahoma that allows workers to leave guns in their cars parked on company property.
The company said it is simply trying to provide a "safe and secure working environment for its employees by keeping guns out of their worksites, specifically refineries, natural gas plants and distribution terminals."
11 News found a sign outside an area plant prohibiting weapons, but saw no such signs in the company's parking lot. Still it's clear guns aren't welcome there.
When asked if she thought that this could lead to workplace violence, "Yes, I've heard that. I don't agree," said Sue King, NRA board member.
King grew up around guns. She said ConocoPhillips' efforts are a waste of time.
"If you think back to the incidents of workplace violence that we occasionally, rarely have in this country and keeping the Oklahoma legislation in mind, you'll realize that those people who commit workplace violence are either outright criminals, they're mentally unbalanced or they are true psychopaths," King said.
"I feel that it's a problem," said Tomasita Garza, Texans for Gun Safety.
This group disagrees with King, saying there are other problems with leaving a gun in a car.
"The reason being no vehicle is safe. No matter what kind of deterrents you use to keep your car from being stolen, it can still be stolen," said Garza.
ConocoPhillips is one of several companies asking an Oklahoma judge to clear the way for employers to prevent workers from keeping pistols in the parking lot.
The company says it, "supports the second amendment and the rights of law abiding citizens to own guns".
It's that amendment that granger Durdin says it gives her a little more confidence and the right to protect herself wherever she may be.
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I think everyone who viewed it and commented saw what I saw...
Interviewing mainly women concerning one particular aspect of the issue was a bit of a distraction from the main point of what they sold us on to watch the story in the first place...And that was the ability, and the right to carry your firearm to work...
The arguments for and against that were fairly predictable...
I didn't think Tomasita Garza was still active with the TGS folks...Much less still willing to give a "worn out" TV counterpoint like she did...
But another aspect, and I may need someone else to confirm this, but did Texas law ever come up in the story??? I'm not sure because the argument was based upon Conoco-Phillips fighting the Oklahoma law that protected employees from corporate policies about not bringing guns to the workplace and keeping them in your vehicle in company parking lots...
I just didn't get a solid feeling about that...
I also thought Oklahoma's CCW law was "pretty similar", but not totally identical, to Texas's law...In regards to places you can, and cannot go with a concealed firearm...And their "premises" definition is similar to Texas in regards to how they view parking lots, and other public right-of-ways...
One interesting point, or lack of complete scope of the issue, that Tomasita made in regards to the criminal risk involved with storing a "gun" in your vehicle was that that vehicle alone could be stolen...Not the fact that of course some who do store a firearm in their vehicles could have them stolen...duh?
Just the fact that you may have a "gun" in the car doesn't increase or decrease that aspect of the crime...
I believe the precentages and statistics of how many vehicles are stolen or burglarized in a company parking lot is a very important factor to the issue...And that different types of businesses that either have, or do not have proprietary, controlled access to those parking lots for employees is important to factor into the equation...
I think the simplistic negative attitude to have, is to lump everyone into the same boat when it comes to carrying a firearm to and from work, and that, regardless of the methods of storage or carrying of that firearm in compliance (or disregard) of corporate policy, is the simple "ninnie" thought process that assumes that if an employee is fired from that job for any reason, their first reaction would be to go to their vehicle and retrieve the weapon and start shooting their former co-workers...
To me thats the underlying, and seldom voiced fear, some of the "ninnies" have when it comes to this issue...
I can't recall any workplace shootings happening with the former employee having immediate access to a firearm and immediately shooting up the workplace...It has always been my recollection that the shootings happened days, weeks, and even months after an employee was fired...And they had to either aquire the firearm, that was not thiers to begin with, or had to leave, mull over the firing, and choose to act in an illegal manner way after the termination...
I just don't see the reason, other than the obvious ninnie-factor, that should effect our right as law-abiding citizens from being trust to maintain the ability to defend ourselves should be restricted because of those unfounded fears...
Interviewing mainly women concerning one particular aspect of the issue was a bit of a distraction from the main point of what they sold us on to watch the story in the first place...And that was the ability, and the right to carry your firearm to work...
The arguments for and against that were fairly predictable...
I didn't think Tomasita Garza was still active with the TGS folks...Much less still willing to give a "worn out" TV counterpoint like she did...
But another aspect, and I may need someone else to confirm this, but did Texas law ever come up in the story??? I'm not sure because the argument was based upon Conoco-Phillips fighting the Oklahoma law that protected employees from corporate policies about not bringing guns to the workplace and keeping them in your vehicle in company parking lots...
I just didn't get a solid feeling about that...
I also thought Oklahoma's CCW law was "pretty similar", but not totally identical, to Texas's law...In regards to places you can, and cannot go with a concealed firearm...And their "premises" definition is similar to Texas in regards to how they view parking lots, and other public right-of-ways...
One interesting point, or lack of complete scope of the issue, that Tomasita made in regards to the criminal risk involved with storing a "gun" in your vehicle was that that vehicle alone could be stolen...Not the fact that of course some who do store a firearm in their vehicles could have them stolen...duh?
Just the fact that you may have a "gun" in the car doesn't increase or decrease that aspect of the crime...
I believe the precentages and statistics of how many vehicles are stolen or burglarized in a company parking lot is a very important factor to the issue...And that different types of businesses that either have, or do not have proprietary, controlled access to those parking lots for employees is important to factor into the equation...
I think the simplistic negative attitude to have, is to lump everyone into the same boat when it comes to carrying a firearm to and from work, and that, regardless of the methods of storage or carrying of that firearm in compliance (or disregard) of corporate policy, is the simple "ninnie" thought process that assumes that if an employee is fired from that job for any reason, their first reaction would be to go to their vehicle and retrieve the weapon and start shooting their former co-workers...
To me thats the underlying, and seldom voiced fear, some of the "ninnies" have when it comes to this issue...
I can't recall any workplace shootings happening with the former employee having immediate access to a firearm and immediately shooting up the workplace...It has always been my recollection that the shootings happened days, weeks, and even months after an employee was fired...And they had to either aquire the firearm, that was not thiers to begin with, or had to leave, mull over the firing, and choose to act in an illegal manner way after the termination...
I just don't see the reason, other than the obvious ninnie-factor, that should effect our right as law-abiding citizens from being trust to maintain the ability to defend ourselves should be restricted because of those unfounded fears...
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"In Texas, businesses have the right to keep concealed weapons out of buildings. Now there's a move to allow companies to prohibit them from parking lots, too and that has some concealed carriers upset."
This was the only thing I saw...And its not very clear about who and what is "moving" to extend the perimeter of a business out to include parking lots as off limits to people to store a firearm in their vehicle while they are working...
I mean that's a corporate policy, not state law...
If the company wants protection from liability by extending that to parking lots, then that is totally inappropriate for state government to bless that by altering the law as it stands now...
I see this whole issue not going very far at this time...
Its just one of those things that increases the tempo of the debate in general, and doesn't really get traction...Not that it isn't a risk to us, but it does get the right attention and doesn't go much further than that...
This was the only thing I saw...And its not very clear about who and what is "moving" to extend the perimeter of a business out to include parking lots as off limits to people to store a firearm in their vehicle while they are working...
I mean that's a corporate policy, not state law...
If the company wants protection from liability by extending that to parking lots, then that is totally inappropriate for state government to bless that by altering the law as it stands now...
I see this whole issue not going very far at this time...
Its just one of those things that increases the tempo of the debate in general, and doesn't really get traction...Not that it isn't a risk to us, but it does get the right attention and doesn't go much further than that...
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WOW! Fair, unbiased news on CBS?
Whoever the producer of that fair gun carry report is, they will probably be fired today. At least it's a step in the right direction.
My wife is a consultant for a large communication co. in Dallas that has a 30 .06 posted at entrances. Not including parking lot. They have private, security, guards to protect employees inside the building. The only problem is, they wont let their guards carry guns either. In fact, one of the guards, who knows she has a CHL, asks her all kinds of questions about guns and how to get a CHL. He doesn't even know anything about guns. But he's there to "protect" the employees. This business would be a great place for some nut to go in blazing. I guess the guards & employees would have to throw paper weights at him.
My wife is a consultant for a large communication co. in Dallas that has a 30 .06 posted at entrances. Not including parking lot. They have private, security, guards to protect employees inside the building. The only problem is, they wont let their guards carry guns either. In fact, one of the guards, who knows she has a CHL, asks her all kinds of questions about guns and how to get a CHL. He doesn't even know anything about guns. But he's there to "protect" the employees. This business would be a great place for some nut to go in blazing. I guess the guards & employees would have to throw paper weights at him.