gigag04 wrote:
It's registered as a short-barrelled rifle. I think there is a process you can go through to legally make one..but I'm not sure. Involves registering with the BATF and stuff...maybe even a class III.
Sorry, i should have clarified. The derringer is a handgun, even though it will fire shotgun shells. I cant say i agree with or understand with the logic, but from what i have read, to be a handgun, it has to be rifled. If it was smoothbore, it would be considered a shortbarreled shotgun. I'm not sure what good that little rifling will do, esp with birdshot, but if that is the law, i'm not gonna argue the point in court. As far as a "shortbarreled shotgun" itself goes, that would be like that miniature m-203 we made in 12 gauge while overseas. Or that double barreled one that was mantioned as being sawed off very short, also while over seas. Those would be the legally frowned upon ones as they would both be smoothbore and quite a bit shorter than the legal limits allowed. These would both be examples of the ones you would need permits and such to buy or make. The handguns like the Derringer are not controlled any more than any other handgun. Having said that, mine is about useless with birdshot so it stays loaded with .45 Colt loads. I can usually hit a silhouette with it at 25yds if i take my time doing it. Bordshot wise, it shoots a pattern as wide as a mans chest at about 5 yds or so, and with the small size of shot and the wide patern, i wouldnt expect it to do anything other than making them real angry at me.
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Lonegun1894 wrote:Bordshot wise, it shoots a pattern as wide as a mans chest at about 5 yds or so, and with the small size of shot and the wide patern, i wouldnt expect it to do anything other than making them real angry at me.
What about .410 slug or 00buck? What would that do?
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buckshot strings almost straight up and down in mine with sometimes 2 feet between the top and bottom ball, and since there's only 3 of em, ell, not good enough for what i want. I havent seen .410 slugs in a long time, and always keep forgetting to ask about them so cant report on what they would do. The .45Colt loads, are fairly easy to keep ona pieplate out to 15 yds or so, but it isnt as fast as i'd like mostly cause of me, and partly cause of the sights. I have carried this and will do so anytime i need a small belly gun. Especially if i am going somewhere where it is more the attention the specific weapon will provide than the firepower itself. And if that is needed, i load it with blackpowder and a 255 grain flatpoint. Word of warning though. I would hope AmericanDerringer has addressed this, but on my Cobray, there is no provision for ejecting the fired case. I take along a brass rod with me if i take that thing to the range to ram down the muzzle and eject cases. And most of them try to stick a little, no matter how light i load them. I did get curious a while back, and try something. This little handgun will chamber a .45-70 round. But i have to confess i didnt have the stupidity level required to actually drop the hammer. It's something that i've been thinking about, but am not about to actually try.
Paul
USN/USMC '00-'05
CHL/NRA/Hunter Safety instructor
TCLEOSE
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This "story" was in my "inbox" this morning. Maybe good for a grin ...
One morning a husband returns to his lake cabin after several hours of
fishing and decides to take a nap. Although not familiar with the lake,
his wife decides to take the boat out. She motors out a short distance,
anchors, and reads her book, enjoying the peace and quiet.
Along comes a game warden in his boat. He pulls up alongside the woman and
says, "Good morning Ma'am. What are you doing?"
"Reading a book," she replies, (thinking, "Isn't that obvious?")
"You're in a restricted fishing area," he informs her.
"I'm sorry officer, but I'm not fishing, I'm reading."
"Yes, but you have all the equipment. For all I know you could start at
any moment. I'll have to take you in and write you up."
"If you do that, I'll have to charge you with sexual assault," says the
woman.
"But I haven't even touched you," says the game warden.
"That's true, but you have all the equipment. For all I know you could
start at any moment."
"Have a nice day ma'am," and he left
MORAL: Never argue with a woman who reads; it is likely she can also
think.
Lonegun,
I tend to agree with you but you might want to remember that a GW has a very hard job and in most cases he is a single officer against several people that are armed and possibly drunk and or doing something illegal. I use to hunt Type 2 properties and within those areas the GW is the law. If driving on the property then you could be in violation of the law for carrying a rifle or even a clip on a Bow hunting only area. Even if the rifle is not in the car he could have felt that you might have it somewhere hidden in the grass outside of the truck.
I use to hunt every buck season and have met several GW’s in the course some have been really nice and sat down talked a while.. And others have been very aggressive and acted scared like I was going to hurt them. I suspect that maybe he was nervous or felt uncomfortable in the situation, unsure
I agree with some of the other responding you need to verify what the laws are.. Currently some of all or the Type 2 properties in Texas have a sign in stations. This would be a good place to get information about what you can and can not carry on the property. Public hunting land has different laws and the GW is out numbered and in most cases out guned.
Not to be a smart-alec, but something came to mind. Seeing as there have been a couple comments about the GW being outnumbered/outgunned/and with little or no chance of backup arriving in time, and knowing that most if not all the people he will come across in a HUNTING area will be armed in one way or another, wouldnt that be another reason to be courteous to people you come across? I am not a LEO, so please forgive my ignorance on this topic, but seems more likely to avoid trouble if you dont get more agressive than necessary. I understand that the officer wants/needs to remain in control, but if you and i--as the people being stopped--are cooperating, trying to be helpful, and being respectful, why the attitude/aggression? Is it something they are taught as part of their training, or just an overinflated ego? In his case at least, as much as he turned his back to me, and turned away to get on his radio and various other tasks, if i'd been a criminal intent on causing him harm, he wouldnt have had a chance. He just didnt seem aware of the situation and when he wasnt being aggressive, he was just kinda there. Seems someone in a line of work where everyone you come across is going to be armed would be paying more attention, and would need to be more level headed than openly threatening another armed individual. Anyone with LE experience have an opinion on weather maybe this was training kicking in or maybe just a swollen head? Thanks.
Paul
USN/USMC '00-'05
CHL/NRA/Hunter Safety instructor
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