Prior suspension of 2nd Amendment Rights questions

[centex aggie]

I know that the last time American's 2nd Amendment rights were taken away was during Katrina in New Orleans, but do any of you know how many times that this has been done by our Govt? I have looked but having a hard time finding anything.

tia

[Liberty]

Everytime that someone goes to the gun store and is denied for what ever reason. because of the NICs search.
Folks in Washington DC and in Chicago are all denied their second Amendment rights.

[anygunanywhere]

Second amendment rights are suspended every day. Whenever you are required to obtain a license to arm yourself your right has been infringed.

Every time you have to fill out a 4473 your rights are infringed.

Every time you have to leave your firearm in your car or residence to enter where you are legally allowed to be your rights are infringed.

Anygunanywhere

[asleepatthereel]

What truely baffles me is that most people overlook this violation of our rights, yet they get in a tizzy over making an illegal alien show proof of citizenship before voting. Or getting a DL, etc. Its apparently ok to violate the 2nd Ammendment but dont dare violate any of the others.

[centex aggie]

thanks fellers

[mr surveyor]

The analogy of Katrina led me to believe the original poster was referring to conditions similar to those imposed by martial law.

[centex aggie]

^^^^ that's right

[RiverRat]

My two bits......ammunication for thought...If you read the 2nd amendment, it refers to "arms" not guns......at the point we were (disallowed) not allowed any type of arms....baseball bats to swords to cannons to sub machine guns to hand grenades, our 2nd amendment rights were originally infringed.

The 2nd amendment was written because the British tried to confiscate cannons and other arms, including guns from local militias.......non-governmental militia forces of colonists. I believe it is illegal in the state Texas to form a local militia by law not commanded by the governor of the state. I don't recall the exact details. I think I had read it as a state constitutional amendment. My memory isn't quotable.........sorry.

We, as citizens were afforded the right to "bear arms"........without limitation or description. This fact seems to be disregarded in all 2nd amendment discussion. There are many "arms" that aren't necesarily guns. Guns are but one classification of arms that OUR 2nd amendment protection has been infringed upon.

Santa Anna was on the same inforcement mission at Goliad, to take away their cannon.

I honestly don't know when the earliest infringments of the 2nd amendment took place. Probably legislative examples prior to the Civil War.

Handgun and assault rifles are just "red herrings". By the words of the second amendment, we could all have B-52's in the back yard. Wouldn't that make for an interesting supreme court hearing.

We have already had our rights under the second amendment compromised........they are just working at etching away the remainders.

[DParker]

My two bits.........If you read the 2nd amendment, it refers to "arms" not guns......at the point we were (disallowed) not allowed any type of arms....baseball bats to swords to cannons to sub machine guns to hand grenades, our 2nd amendment rights were originally infringed.

The 2nd amendment was written because the British tried to confiscate cannons and other arms, including guns from local militias.......non-government militia forces of colonists.

Well...not really (though those actions no doubt bolstered support for the 2A.) The history of the 2A is more complex than that, and is actually based on principles of English common law.

I believe it is illegal in the state Texas to form a local militia by law not commanded by the governor of the state. I don't recall the exact details. I think I had read it as a state constitutional amendment. My memory isn't quotable.........sorry.

Technically you're correct, but it doesn't appear to be enforcable in any real way. Here's an interesting (albeit brief) analysis of the issue:

http://www.constitution.org/mil/ustx_law.htm

This fact seems to be disregarded in all 2nd amendment discussion.

Really? I've seen it brought up in a great many 2A discussions.

Santa Anna was on the same inforcement mission at Goliad, to take away their cannon.

Uh...Goliad wasn't about taking away cannons.

I honestly don't know when the earliest infringments of the 2nd amendment took place. Probably legislative examples prior to the Civil War.

Well, if we acknowledge that the slaves were actually "people" then the 2A (along with all of the other rights in the original 10) were being infringed before the ink was even dry on them.

[RiverRat]

Understand there is more to all of it..........I'm typing with a stylus......I'm about pecked out

Thanks the Texas Constituton link. 431.010. Organization Prohibited
Goliad battle flag link http://www.crwflags.com/FOTW/flags/us-txhs.html

The point surrounds the reference to "arms". My recall of history is not important.

[DParker]

Understand there is more to all of it..........I'm typing with a stylus......I'm about pecked out

Thanks the Texas Constituton link. 431.010. Organization Prohibited
Goliad battle flag link http://www.crwflags.com/FOTW/flags/us-txhs.html

The point surrounds the reference to "arms". My recall of history is not important.

Understood...though I'd argue that in these sorts of discussions the recall of history is ALWAYS important.

[srothstein]

Santa Anna was on the same inforcement mission at Goliad, to take away their cannon.

I believe you meant Gonzales, which was the home of the Come and Take It expression and flag, and still hosts an annual celebration commemorating this as "Come and Take It Days".

[LarryH]

Whether it was Gonzalez or Goliad, it wasn't part of the US at the time, so 2A didn't apply.

IIRC, "Remember Goliad" was another of the battle cries (in addition to "Remember the Alamo") during the battle of San Jacinto, so I believe Goliad was the site of another massacre by Santa Anna's army.

Since I'm one of those who "got here as soon as I could", I'll yield to correction/amplification by a native Texan.

[frankie_the_yankee]

Everytime that someone goes to the gun store and is denied for what ever reason. because of the NICs search.
Folks in Washington DC and in Chicago are all denied their second Amendment rights.

Second amendment rights are suspended every day. Whenever you are required to obtain a license to arm yourself your right has been infringed.

Every time you have to fill out a 4473 your rights are infringed.

Every time you have to leave your firearm in your car or residence to enter where you are legally allowed to be your rights are infringed.

Total thread hijack. The OP was clearly referring to extraordinary situations like the aftermath of hurricane Katrina, not absolutist views of the 2A.

[Liberty]

Total thread hijack. The OP was clearly referring to extraordinary situations like the aftermath of hurricane Katrina, not absolutist views of the 2A.

Maybe, but I thought my answer was a direct response to his question. I didn't even think i was being controversial.