DPS CHL Processing Delays: Meeting Report

[jmorris]

Here is my question..I got out of the army 6 months ago,Honorably discharged. I am applyin for my lisc under the veteran 365 days all state fees waived rule,if for some reason my application gets kicked back and i have to submit something else(ie fingerprints),will i still get that exception? Basicly,what is the date that has to be within 365 days? the date of issue,or the date i sent the first application in. thanks!

When I applied online, I paid then and had (IIRC) two years to complete so I would guess it applies when paid. DPS has your check. My take is they will be cashing it and it will be considered paid so even if it takes past the 365 day limit you're covered. But then IANAL.

[Rayden]

As far as I know, California does not have non-resident permits or reciprocity with any other state.

Yep, Rayden; Jim is correct. California honors no other state's concealed carry permit, and you must be a resident of the State of California to apply for a California CCW license (http://caag.state.ca.us/firearms/pubfaqs.htm).

It is a "may issue" state, unlike Texas, Florida, Utah, and others that have "shall issue" policies. In California, you contact your county Sheriff's office or metro Police department to get the CCW ball rolling. There is a statewide, standardized application, but the final approval authority lies with the law enforcement agency in whose jurisdiction you live. They may issue or refuse to issue at their discretion; anecdotal evidence indicates it is far easier to get a permit in some counties and jusrisdictions than others.

California is one of those states that has firearm laws that me leave me scratchin' my head. You gotta do some hoop-jumping just to buy a handgun, including having to go to a Department of Justice certified instructor to take and pass a Handgun Safety Certificate (HSC) course, basically "register" your new handgun via a state Dealer Record of Sale process, pay a separate Firearms Safety Testing fee (you have to demonstrate to the dealer your ability to safely operate the firearm even though you have to bring in your valid HSC with you), and pay a separate Safety and Enforcement fee. Whew. Oh, and individuals can't sell a gun in a private transaction: you gotta go through a licensed firearm dealer and all requirements and fees apply, just as if you were buying a new gun.


And if you move to California and intend to bring handguns you currently own with you? Well, then you are considered by the State of California to be to be a personal handgun importer. You may bring your otherwise California-legal guns with you (remember, 10-round maximum magazine capacity), and you have to report all handguns to the Department of Justice within two months. I don't know what the recent micro-stamping law is going to mean to this in the future.

We may be dealing with some permit issuance delays out of Austin, but still I say: God Bless Texas!

Thanks for the detail reply. Looks like I'll be looking at Florida then. I just hope that won't take too long.

[thejtrain]

Hmmm, trying to remember why I moved out of Kalifornia...

Oh yeah!

As far as I know, California does not have non-resident permits or reciprocity with any other state.

Yep, Rayden; Jim is correct. California honors no other state's concealed carry permit, and you must be a resident of the State of California to apply for a California CCW license (http://caag.state.ca.us/firearms/pubfaqs.htm).

It is a "may issue" state, unlike Texas, Florida, Utah, and others that have "shall issue" policies. In California, you contact your county Sheriff's office or metro Police department to get the CCW ball rolling. There is a statewide, standardized application, but the final approval authority lies with the law enforcement agency in whose jurisdiction you live. They may issue or refuse to issue at their discretion; anecdotal evidence indicates it is far easier to get a permit in some counties and jurisdictions than others.

We may be dealing with some permit issuance delays out of Austin, but still I say: God Bless Texas!

Amen, Skiprr, and thanks for the reminder!

[stevie_d_64]

The funding for the CHL program at to be at least revenue neutral (no profit or loss to the State) or revenue positive (profit) from the beginning. The fees were set high enough at the beginning that the state made money on the program, but the money doesn't go to DPS. It goes in to the general fund. With the various fee reductions now it's probably much closer to revenue neutral.

Chas.

Ahhhh, yes...The culprit...Our money is going to...drum roll please...

The State of Texas General Fund...

That has more hands in it than a 2 year olds birthday cake!

I see a fix to this, but it will take a great amount of courage and legislative chicanery...To at least get a budget change (adjustment) to allow a decent precentage of the revenue generated by this department to be used to expand and improve the cost effectiveness and staffing to provide the services in a timely manner that is stipulated by the law on the books now...

If I recall correctly, this lottery thing we have in this state to, was supposed to have a majority of its revenue to go directly to the state's education fund...Not into the General fund as it is now...

Same problem, same solution is needed...How we get sold a bill of goods like this every single time is amazing to me...Something to ping the guy we need to send to Austin to fill the shoes of a very good man that was (and still is) a champion of the Second Amendment and this state's CHL law...

email time...

[tbranch]

No. You don't need to go to Florida. They don't have courses as Texas does. They require a hunting safety course, NRA handgun safety certificate, or other training which I don't know off the top of my head.

And for those of you who have served or are serving in the Armed Forces, they waive the training requirement and accept a copy of your DD-214 or copy of your ID Card as prrof of training.

Tom

[bauerdj]

Is there a time limit on the military service; I was discharged in 1971.

Dave B.

[aardwolf]

Is there a time limit on the military service; I was discharged in 1971.

One year for the free license but no time limit for the 50% discount.

[Kerbouchard]

No. You don't need to go to Florida. They don't have courses as Texas does. They require a hunting safety course, NRA handgun safety certificate, or other training which I don't know off the top of my head.

And for those of you who have served or are serving in the Armed Forces, they waive the training requirement and accept a copy of your DD-214 or copy of your ID Card as prrof of training.

Tom

The training requirement is not waived by virtue of being a veteran. The training requirement MAY be satisfied by training received in the military if you have the proper paperwork.

I for one, spent 6 years in the Navy and never once did I fire a gun or recieve ANY form of arms training.(I ran the nuclear reactors...we didn't really need guns)

[tarkus]

You have to sit through the 10 hour class. Why not do the range part too?

Unless your shooting is so bad that you're afraid you'll fail.

[getusumtx]

I agree...Most Military guys i know(including me) love to get out on the range and shoot stuff. I couldnt imagin anyone wanting to skip this park of the class,Id rather skip the other 10 hours of mostly common sense stuff..

[pedalman]

I agree...Most Military guys i know(including me) love to get out on the range and shoot stuff. I couldnt imagin anyone wanting to skip this park of the class

Our class did the shooting portion first. It was like having dessert before supper. I only wish that more rounds were required for the course. That would have been a lot of fun.

[Dub]

Today's Houston Chronicle had an article on the meeting which I will assume was the original source for this thread. See link:

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/tx/5764995.html

One of my coworkers waited until his license expired and took his renewal class a full two weeks prior to my enrolling. His fingerprints were returned to be redone and resubmitted. Man is he hot that I got a first time license quicker than he could recieve a renewal. I will definately call this a lesson learned when my first renewal rolls around!