Off duty trouble...

[htxred]

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This story took place a few weeks ago here in San Diego. Now that the story has developed(cops tried to keep it lowkey), it is now a hot debate...and the off duty cop seems to be getting special treatment. If it were you or me, we would be in jail facing 2 counts of attempted murder. Instead, this off duty cop is at home on payed leave of absence...+2 weeks of police investigation and they claim "There is no official victim as of yet".

The gist of the story:
-Typical road rage incident, one party cuts off the other.
-Off duty cop follows mother and her 8 year old son to a parking lot
-Off duty cop pulls up next to car(side by side) and both parties verbally argue.
-Off duty cop pulls out handgun and fires in to passenger side vehicle where 8 year child is struck in the knee
-Mother puts the car in reverse to get away.
-Off duty cop steps out the vehicle and proceeds to unload 4 more rounds in to the windshield
-Mother is shot twice in the arm
-Off duty cop claims self defense and his life was endanger
-Drug and alcohol test performed on mother but not on officer..
-Two weeks, and no charges have been filed.

Original story first released:

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/nort ... white.html



http://www.nbcsandiego.com/slideshow/ne ... etail.html



Interview with lady:

http://www.cbs8.com/features/crimefight ... ?id=122355



Latest story:

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/nort ... claim.html[/QUOTE]

[frankie_the_yankee]

Looks like a whitewash / coverup is in progress. They are trying to come up with something to justify the cop's specious claim of self defense.

The woman should definitely pursue a civil suit. This kind of behavior by cops is disgusting. From the info provided in the news stories, I would say that the cop should do time.

[srothstein]

They may be giving the cop special treatment, and they may not. The paper appears to be reporting solely from what the lady is saying and the police are not revealing the investigation yet. Note the diagram where the marking says the police have not yet revealed what the circular mark is for.

If the story given is correct, the cop should go to jail for a long time (child injury, agg. assault, etc.). But I am convinced that this is one side and there is more to come eventually.

[dukalmighty]

If it was anybody other than a cop they would be in jail with a huge bond amount,fired into an occupied vehicle striking a chid then when driver tries to flee fires 4 more shots through windshield ,if that ain't attempted murder i don't know what is.I guess it's a good thing people think we should leave firearms in the hands of responsible trained professionals like police officers,i can' wait to see how much they sue the city for

[carlson1]

Boy I am glad we can trust the media report. I can't believe he was not judge and hung on the spot Srothstein could be right. Maybe there is ANOTHER side.

[htxred]

Boy I am glad we can trust the media report. I can't believe he was not judge and hung on the spot Srothstein could be right. Maybe there is ANOTHER side.

well if there IS another side, feel free to post it once you come across the info, but your sarcasm isn't really necessary here bro. don't act like there is no such thing as a "bad cop"...

[Keith B]

Boy I am glad we can trust the media report. I can't believe he was not judge and hung on the spot Srothstein could be right. Maybe there is ANOTHER side.

well if there IS another side, feel free to post it once you come across the info, but your sarcasm isn't really necessary here bro. don't act like there is no such thing as a "bad cop"...

I think you have misinterpreted carlson and srothstein's post. They are not indicating that there are not bad cops in the world, just that there IS another side to the story. People shouldn't act as if what is reported by the media is totally accurate and shouldn't be challenged.

Having been involved in internal investigations before, both in a police department and corporate America, I can tell you they frequently will not comment on things purposely to prevent any influence and pre-judgment of the case. The pre-judgment is exactly what you are doing just from what you are reading. The truth will come out.

So, we all need to let the case have its due process and not jump to conclusions without knowing the whole story.

[flintknapper]

Boy I am glad we can trust the media report. I can't believe he was not judge and hung on the spot Srothstein could be right. Maybe there is ANOTHER side.

well if there IS another side, feel free to post it once you come across the info, but your sarcasm isn't really necessary here bro. don't act like there is no such thing as a "bad cop"...

I think you have misinterpreted carlson and srothstein's post. They are not indicating that there are not bad cops in the world, just that there IS another side to the story. People shouldn't act as if what is reported by the media is totally accurate and shouldn't be challenged.

Having been involved in internal investigations before, both in a police department and corporate America, I can tell you they frequently will not comment on things purposely to prevent any influence and pre-judgment of the case. The pre-judgment is exactly what you are doing just from what you are reading. The truth will come out.

So, we all need to let the case have its due process and not jump to conclusions without knowing the whole story.

+1



The voice of reason.

[Keith B]

Here is another story http://www.fox6.com/news/local/story.as ... d&rss=tick. The DA is urging everyone to just sit back and let the investigation run its course.

In the article, it states the driver window was shattered on the off-duty officers car and his wife who is a San Diego dispatcher was with him. There are some interesting things about the woman listed in this article, including she was facing a pending drunk driving charge. She is claiming memory lapses of the event and was not happy about being forced to take a sobriety test when the off-duty officer didn't have to. She was also driving on a suspended license according to police.

[frankie_the_yankee]

Here is another story http://www.fox6.com/news/local/story.as ... d&rss=tick. The DA is urging everyone to just sit back and let the investigation run its course.

In the article, it states the driver window was shattered on the off-duty officers car and his wife who is a San Diego dispatcher was with him. There are some interesting things about the woman listed in this article, including she was facing a pending drunk driving charge. She is claiming memory lapses of the event and was not happy about being forced to take a sobriety test when the off-duty officer didn't have to. She was also driving on a suspended license according to police.

Some of that info may be relevant to whether the shooting was justified. Or not.

Remember, when using force or deadly force, the reasonableness of one's actions are judged based upon what you knew at the time. I do not think the cop knew about the other person's DWI status, suspended license, etc. when he employed deadly force.

But on the other hand, a person with those types of traffic issues hanging over them may well have more general behavior problems that can create situations that other, more well behaved people, will avoid.

In my 57 years, no one, cop or private citizen, has wanted to shoot me - yet. Maybe it's because I'm a nice guy, hey?

[WildBill]

In my 57 years, no one, cop or private citizen, has wanted to shoot me - yet. Maybe it's because I'm a nice guy, hey?

Just cuz they didn't shoot you doesn't mean they didn't want to.

[Keith B]

Here is another story http://www.fox6.com/news/local/story.as ... d&rss=tick. The DA is urging everyone to just sit back and let the investigation run its course.

In the article, it states the driver window was shattered on the off-duty officers car and his wife who is a San Diego dispatcher was with him. There are some interesting things about the woman listed in this article, including she was facing a pending drunk driving charge. She is claiming memory lapses of the event and was not happy about being forced to take a sobriety test when the off-duty officer didn't have to. She was also driving on a suspended license according to police.

Some of that info may be relevant to whether the shooting was justified. Or not.

I agree Frankie. I was really just pointing out that there is apparently more to the story as we have said. Also, that this woman may not have been as pure as she is trying to portray herself.

However, we still need not make decisions of guilt or innocence on either side without ALL the facts in front of us. Without those hard facts, we Internet prosecutors are condemning or pardoning folks unjustly. Take the early versions we heard of the case in New York. Once the facts came out, many who were trying to go to battle for the guy defending his family had to back-peddle with they learned the true details of how the shooting took place.

[RHZig]

As a police officer in one more month I can see why citizens don't trust us like they once did.



But I am sure there is more to the story.